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2006-01-02

Lars Refn


It gets Curiouser and curiouser:

The pupil Muhammed by Lars Refn
Lars Refn draws a young immigrant names "Muhammed" in a public school in Valby (part of Copenhagen). The text on the blackboard is in Persian and means (or so I'm told), "Jyllands-Posten's journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs."

Lars Refn is also on the death-list, so apparently it is also "illegal" to draw people, who are named Muhammed - or maybe it's illegal to insult Jyllands-Posten?

"Muhammed's" shirt is imprinted with the word "Fremtiden", which means "the future". Brave New World!


Soccer player from the club FremAdded:The word "fremtiden" is split after "Frem". "Frem" is also the name of the local soccer club in Valby - and the red and blue stripes on the young boy's shirt are the official colours of the club. I have no idea whether you can buy a "Frem-tiden" shirt on their home page.


Added: Two things: (1) In some versions of Lars Refn's cartoon, an English text has been superimposed on the drawing, "We think Lars Refn is a coward, who does not understand the seriousness of the Muslim threat to free speech.". I have seen two sites so far, where it has been claimed - without any proof - that this text was added by the editors of Jyllands-Posten, who had desired a more offending picture.

*sigh* Sometimes I feel like the guy in the circus parade, who walks behind the elephants with a little broom and pail, but here goes:



(2) Innocent as the drawing is, Lars Refn was in fact one of the first to receive death threats. Normally the Security Intelligence Service won't leak any details, but an article in Ingeniøren from back in October, when a 17-year old boy issued death threats against two of the cartoonists tells us that Lars Refn were among the two.

I must repeat the question I asked in the original post: Is it illegal to draw a person named Mohammed? Or is it illegal to call Jyllands-Posten's editors and journalists a bunch of reactionary provocateurs?

Comments:
Fuck Mohammad,Fuck Jesus,Fuck Moses
FUCK GOD,FUCK ANGELS,FUCK HEAVEN,FUCK RELIGION,FUCK ME,FUCK YOU,FUCK EVERY FUCKIN' CREATURE ON THIS PLANET,FUCK FUCK,FUCK FOOK.
THANX FOR ...........
 
Wow you are incredibly articulate. Next time you want to leave a message for the entire world to see try picking up a thesaurus. Now I may not be in favour of Islam but I sure do hope they find out who the hell you are and put you on the death list. The world will be far better of with out idiots like you in it.
PS Go Jesus!!
 
anonymous said ...
I would draw Mohammed in a compromising situation or position except that I have had my arms and legs blown off in a terrorist attack ...
 
fuk the person who had no respect for other religion.
 
Yes, a Fatwa on these blasphemers who slander the name of Islam: www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images4/sherffius21.gif.
 
this is what i dont understand. if islam is a religion of peace, and christianity is the religon of turning the other cheek, why cant we just shake hands, call it even and just enjoy the planet we have. there wont be much of a planet if the gun carrying cowboy and the angry rich kid just dont duke it out in the name of their country. our world makes me sad.
 
I think religion should be illegalized worldwide as to avoid these stupid conflicts. Instead religion is respected at a personal level but atheism sould be implemented as the worldwide "religion".
 
Hi,
By the grace of Allah Almighty, I am a Muslim. I dont wear veil or even chadar. Dress like normal women, working in a large organisation and enjoy as much rights as any other woman.
I offer prayers occassionally and I believe in religuous harmony. Never thought that I am a true muslim.
However, after seeing these cartoons and reading the comments, I feel a pain. A pain that makes me closer to my religion.
I dont believe in killing someome. But at least you people should do something to stop this maddness. What has done cannot be changed but why you are enhancing this rage by re-printing these cartoons???? When you know that some people are trying to exploit this issue then why r u people becoming a mean to support their campaign?
And then just look at the way you talk about religion, prophets and the holy books. I thought every religion - jews, christianity, hinduism, budhism taught love & respect. Now am thinking otherwise.
 
> SK but why you are enhancing this rage by re-printing these cartoons????

Are you serious? The drawing at the top of this page shows a young immigrant called Mohammed.

Are you saying that I'm "enhancing this rage" by showing a drawing of a boy - just because he's named Mohammed?

My first reason for publishing the 12 cartoons was to show how innocuous they are. Half of them - like the one above - don't even show the Prophet. Arne Sørensen has drawn himself and Bob Katzenelson has drawn Kåre Bluitgen.

Some of those that do show Mohammed are quite reverent and would thus be allowed according to many interpretations of Islam. Claus Seidel has drawn a humble prophet, Poul Erik Poulsen has combined Jesus' halo with the crescent moon and Franz Füchsel has a sensible Mohammed admonishing his warriors to moderation.

> SK When you know that some people are trying to exploit this issue

That's the second problem. If it wasn't for "some people", who have "internationalzed the issue", all 12 drawings would have been forgotten long ago, and nobody - including me - would have seen them.

As it is, a bunch of lying imams are spreading the three fake Mohammed cartoons, which they have produced themselves.

They have even shown them on BBC and al-Jazeera.

How can you know which cartoons are the fake ones produced by the imams? Unless I show you the genuine ones?
 
It is very very sad that the person who saved the humanity from polytheisim,Gave the right of life to the oppressed women and saved the moral traditions according to the commandments of the creator of the universe,Gave the equal rights to women of property,inheritence,living, selling and buying ,chooing the husband according to their own wish,taught the human being the lesson of truth,chastity and observing the rights of others and to fight for the settlement of justic, has been brutely depicted in shameless way.We all the women of Europe who have been made a doll of playing and only a symble of sex in the hand of Europeans,totally condemn this shamefull effort of making cartoon of the most beneficent and merciful personality ever got birth amoung the human being
 
> "We all the women of Europe "

Eh? Why do "We all the women of Europe" condemn a drawing of a young school boy??

Do you condemn it because the black board says, "Jyllands-Posten's journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs"?
 
here is the thing, It is ok for people christen or not to draw cartoons of other religious icons such as Jesus, GOD, Moses and so on, I myself as a christen get upset at some of these but i realize that they are just a small minded person who feels the need to do these things to draw attention to themselves. I understand that it really offends the islam religion but it also offends the other religions when these things are done to us, but you don't see the rest of us attacking thoes people or coming up with a death list. we all need to rise above all of this hate for one another and understand that no one is going to change no matter what anyone else does or says. They need to realize that not evey non islam agrees with what was done.
 
If Islam is about love, the moslem fraternity could have just posted some knowledge to the cartoonist to correct him on his lack of understanding of the prophet. Or they could have doubted the sanity of the cartoonist not reacting like you have disturbed a bee hive. Now we are wondering if Islam as a religion does not have a dose of insanity in itself. Wake up!
 
you may not agree with the guy that said fuck every thing but thats his to say and beleive. i myself was offended by the god,moses and jeses but dose that give me the right to tell him he cant? no. i belive in freedom and hold mine dearly, and just becauce somthing offends me or you dont belive the why i do should i try to force you or kill you?
 
I WANNA congratulate ALL ARTISTS WHO DID THOSE CARTOONS....

BEST REGARDS

Y.O.C.

http://www.yoc.kimdir.com
 
I would just like to say that all of you who think these are cartoons of mohammed.. Kiss my ass. They really just look like any other arab. Poke all you want at what I just said but seriously...who gives a fuck you crazy towelheads? Go Danes!..Robibi is cool tho.
 
"It is very very sad that the person who saved the humanity from polytheisim,"

Ah, yes, pick on the "evil" polytheists. When was the last time a polytheistic religion waged a holy war? In general, true polytheisms enable people to avoid this kind of idiocy. We have the humility to recognize that through absolutist dogmas, human ignorance can make a mockery of divinity and spiritual progess. Abrahamites in general have alot to answer for in how they have treated polytheistic religions. May the eternal gods open your eyes to the dangers of totalitarianism and mental slavery inherent in monotheism.

-Mingfei
 
FIRST OF ALL, MOST PEOPLE CANNOT READ PERSIAN S DONT EXPECT THE WHOLE WOROLD TO KNOW THAT THE CARTOON ABOUT THE BOY ISNT POCKING FUN AT MOHAMED AS IT FOLLOWS DIRECTLY FORM THE CARTOONS THAT WERE!THE DANISH NEWSPAPER IS USING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AS A SKAPEGOAT FOR RELIGIOUSE HATRED,THE ONE THING THAT IS ALLEGEDLY HATED BY ALL IN THE WEST,SO WHY THEN,ARE DANE ABUSING THIER RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND JUST STURRING RELIGIOUSE HATRED. I READ THAT MANY PEOPLE ON THIS THING USED THE EXAMPLE OF CATHOLICS NOT SEDNIMG DEATH THREATS TO PEOPLE WANTING TO ENTER INTO GAY MARRIAGES, HOWEVER PEOPLE THAT WISH TO ENTER INTO SAME SEX MARRAIAGES ARE NOT DIRECTLY PROVOKING CATHOLICSM ITSELF! THEY ARE GETTING ON WITH THEIR OWN LIVES AND IF THEY WISH TO MARRY SAME SEX MARRIAGES, AS A MUSLIM, THEY CAN GO AHEAD ITS THEIR WORLS. MUSLIMS ARNT CONDEMING THEM ITS THEIR LIFE KNOXK YOURSLEF OUT.WHAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH IS PEOPLE DIRECTLY PROVOKINGMSULIMS,THATS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS,AND YOU CANNOT BE AS IGNORANT AS TO SEE THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AND IT IS JUST A PRACTISE OF THER FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION! PERHAPS CHRISTIANS ARE NOT AS HURT AS MUSLIMS WHEN JESUS IS DEPICTED IN DRAWINGS OR MOSES US (PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON THEM BOTH) BUT AS THEY ARE OUR PROHETS TOO WE GET OFFENDED! ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS ABOUT THE PROPHET HIMSLEF.AT THE END OF THE DAY LEAVE US ALONE AND WE WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE.I DONT AGREE WITH WAR AND BOMBING ECT BUT FRANKLY WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU ENVADE A COUNTRY RAPE ITS WOMEN KILL ITS CHILDREN AND BULLDOZE ITS HOUSES....A PEACEFULL SMILE....IDIIOTS WHO THINK THAT YOU WOULDNT GET A REACTION.I KNOW THAT IF ALL M FMAILY WERE KILLED AND I HAD NOTHING ELSE LEFT TO LVIE FOR IDDE GO ADN TRY AND GET THE BASTARDS THAT KILLED THEM TOO.PUT YOURSLEF IN THEIR SHOWS, STOP BEING IGNORANT AND RUDE FOR THE SAKE OF IT!
 
It would be easier to read what you wrote if you'd let go of the shift-button.

> "WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU ENVADE A COUNTRY RAPE ITS WOMEN "

You forgot to mention the giant spiders.

You have been fooled, you twit. Those rape photos were produced by al-Qaeda in order to let the people in Falluja allow al-Qaeda to establish theír own torture rooms.

I'll give you a quote from this page

"The supposed rape pictures were far more important, Rosen said. In a February article for The New York Times Magazine, Rosen quoted a Jordanian Islamist's testimony that the pictures helped to galvanize insurgent activity in Falluja. "In the beginning, [the Fallujans] had said to the insurgents, 'Go make jihad in your own country.' After the rape story, they said, 'OK, we want to start now, or tomorrow we will find our mothers or daughters or sisters raped.' This story exploded the resistance in Falluja. They called us for a meeting and said, 'You were right.'" Rosen told National Journal that the rape pictures resembled those now displayed on a Web site maintained by a radical U.S. Hispanic group, La Voz de Aztlan Communications Network. The men in those pictures have their faces concealed, they are wearing a hodgepodge of military clothing, and they do not carry any weapons or equipment worn by U.S. soldiers."
 
you people just add to the fire. There are extreme muslims but there are also extreme non - muslims. Your no different to being nasty and evil. you dont know nothing about Muhammad PBUH.if you did you would have seen that there are over a billion muslims in the world and each individual is not a EXTREMIST or TERRORIST. dont judge the actions of a handful for the rest of us.
 
those who are not in favour of these drawings and think they only add to exsisting problems, please contact MAC at www.globalcivility.co.uk and voice your concern. many thanks.
 
hey guys, I want your attention please.I have a freind who is a muslim guy who once told me that every muslim in this world is stupid.
I was surprised!!! i asked how is that, he did not comment.
Well, I think muslims they know that there is something wrong in there so called religion,but it is there ego and the continuos brain washing from the muslim religious leaders.Well let us face it guys, You can not say that islam is a peace religion!! comon!!!! common!!! what a religion that allows killing!! what a religion that allows discrimination!!! Are you defending GOd!!!?? who told you that God needs a help? Hey comon , wat is the problem in here!!? are you muslims not able to have sex or wat!! do u want to go to heaven to have some sex in there!!
There is the heaven, It is not a PORNO house.Mohammed kucked a 9 years old lady!!!!!!! the profit fucked a NINE years old girl!!! the PROFIT fucked ....!!!!! phaedophile.
Now the real story:
The Holy Bible said, Beware my children, the Demon will come, he will come in a sheep's cloth but beware he is a Wolf inside, I came before and warned you.
and guess wat, he came!! he came claiming that he is from god, he made good things,he killed people to make his religion.wat a better way to dominate and have the people's trust from being apparently good and put the satan's instructions(code). The satan's code was put in this so called CORAN, Well try to read a part of coran, it is not bad, But if you read it all, and when you go to the evil coded parts, Thats it, psychology.
In the cinemas duing a film,Coca cola companies were paying the Cinemas to make the Cocacola bottle appear during the film for a millisecond,The subconcious mind was able to interpret that small millisecond and triger a desire inside the people to go and buy COcacola.Well the same thing Happens in here. it is enough for little words which in the coran to do the same thing in the humans mind.
I just want to tell muslims that go out of the bubble you are living in and please see the world from outside of it, and welcome to the reality.
I am out of time now, i have to go.
I will come later to c wat happens.
Peace on you.
 
YOU ALL ARE CRAZY!!! especially you miss Liberal-Islam. by the Koran every last one of you deserve nothing more than to be put to the scmitar you infidel pigs!!! none of you all are worthy to die for Jihad i spit on you. Ata,idbah al-adu m'shallah!!!
 
Very sophisticated of people to approach a problem by attacking the other. Why is so hard for people to just live and let be. Instead of attacking religions people should call for peace. i am a muslim and I do care for Islam. in following of my teachings, I would rather not attack but to call for peace and Harmony. May god bless all people of all races of all religions.
 
History presents religious turmoil as a viscious cycle. I personally say to hell with boy fondeling priests and to hell to any other demterted fuck who wishes to cause harm and unrest to the rest of mankind in the name of ANY forsaken religion. Get over the cartoons, they were very funny, don't you people have more important things to address like the state of your miserable countries? I am American and the first time someone tells me I can't say something like this, well, brace yourself for a fight. By the way, just saw a documentary about Daniel Pearl. What a story and what a sick cause. Extreme muslims need to herded into a large train and sent to a certain camp in Poland, which will be reopened. For all Muslim who want to live peacefully, (oxymoran?) it might be a good idea to stand up for yourselves and take back your freedome from the beard wielding idiots who have stold it. Unless, of course, you prefer to be looked at as sheeple. Phew...
 
And for you, the stupid fuck who thinks your tough with a knive. Bring it on, my god is much more powerfull than your skinny little bitch. Cut my head off, is that what you'll do? Go fuck yourselve you little sick savant. I can't wait to enlist and join the service so I can have you in the sights of my m16
 
Hey, I just saw muhammed in a restuarant having dinner. He was eating pork chops.
So then I followed him and he went into a dance club- then he spilled his beer on a stripper and was told to leave. He was screaming something about infidels and then said he had to get home early anyway because he was going to go cruising in the morning to find a 9 year old for a date at the grade school.
So I shot him in the head five times and wrapped him in bacon. Then I threw him in the hog pen. Sounds like they are eating corn chips in there.
 
Woe to Muhammad a false prophet filled with slanderous lies and demonic possesion... Muhammad is the work of Satan and he is truly the prophet of Satan a heretic of Christianity and Satan's own Bitch...
 
Anybody (Muslim or not)who thinks that Islam is a divine religion inspired by God is mentally retarded... hehe
 
When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this "peace", as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Sura 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29 Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this "open-ended", universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.
 
Lord Jesus Christ Prince of Peace Son of God, blessed be his name... Please forgive others including myself for we are all sinners and don't know right from wrong...

God became man so that we may become Gods and be saved by the victory of His grace on the Cross..
 
God and only God is God.
Allah is Satan.
God sent Allah to hell.
Muhammad is Satan's devil demon.


God sent Allah (the devil) to hell for all eternity.
Allah hates God and sent the demon Mohammed to Earth to bring as many souls to hell as possible.
 
My vision is of a "third world war" against Islamic fascism that can end only in complete victory...

Until the accursed Anti-Christ is to be known...

Attacking the Mid-East is also an idealohical war targeting all those with radical ill-will intentions...
 
Muhammad of Mecca founder of Islam was the first ruthless terrorist and Rasul Al-Shatan (Satan's Messenger) Genesis 16,12
 
Fuck Muslims all bunch of retarded fuck heads................
 
I've taken the time to find some good links...

Everyone including all you Muslims and so-called Christians should check them out and search inside your hearts with a better understanding,love and appreciation for the one-and-only-truth...


http://www.creationapologetics.org/editorials/islamsmohammed.html

http://contenderministries.org/islam.php

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

http://www.harvardhouse.com/brochure.htm

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main///Authors/Wood/bewitched_prophet.htm
 
It’s really ironic that Muslims are defending their faith with the same blind and fanatical force by which they were converted.



The Prophet of Lust Muhammad would make generals of anyone of his followers who had beautiful wives. He would place them on the front line of battle insuring them inevitable death. (Heard this story before read II Samuel Chapters 11-12)
 
fuck islam
fuck hinduism
fuck christianity
fuck sikhism
fuck buddhISM
in short.....
FUCK RELIGION!!!!!
 
First of all, fuck all people like you who don’t know anything or any better and fuck all the religions of the world except the religion of Christianity. Amen.

The biggest lye in history is Islam and its evil liar prophet Muhammad.

The foundations of Islam were built upon lies.

The Prophet of Islam’s Muhammad was a Dirty, Despicable, Evil, Hate-Filled Coward…

Tell me if this isn’t true! I dare you to call me a liar if this isn’t true!

When you take a look at the amazing life and behaviour of Muhammad it reflects the real personality of that person. In the end any logical person can agree & deduce that Muhammad was nothing more than a Murderer Rapist Thief & Liar!
 
One thing that I am sure of, if that you don't know anything about the mohammed, try to go to this URL, and click on the pdf image to download a book about the prophet mohammed, then you can freely judge mohammed.
http://mohammad.islamway.com/?lang=en
 
Fuck Muhammad, Fuck Khadija, Fuck Fatima, Fuck Ali, Fuck Hassan, Fuck Hussein, Fuck Aisha, Fuck Hafsa, Fuck Abu Bakr, Fuck Umar, Fuck Uthman…
The Prophet Muhammad of Islam must be in the nastiest & most horrible part of hell right now, along with all his misinformed followers faithful to him & his Allah…
It’s pretty pathetic that intellectual Muslims out there don’t even realize that Islam is one complete sham… I feel sorry for all those fake & pathetic moderate Muslims. Especially those who like denying or covering-up the many flaws & half-truths associated with the stories in the Koran …
The Prophet Muhammad of Islam designated the title of being God’s prophet for himself by demanding full allegiance to him by way of the sword. Muhammad refused to notice & accept that Christ was chosen by God to closer bridge the gap with God and to save mankind from its failed original sinful state of transgression and help bring them back to the eternal loving Father.
 
Seriously though, if anybody wanted to talk negatively about Islam or it’s prophet Muhammad I bet there’d definitely be volumes upon volumes of things to be said…
The strangest thing to me about Islam is it’s followers and how blind and stupid they are… This has always been a mystery to me how can 1.5 billion practicing Muslims in the world don’t know anything or refuse to know the real filth of their so-called prophet Muhammad. And if they do know why are they defending Muhammad and Islam? Honestly though Islam is just the biggest lie and cover-up in the history of this world. If it weren’t for all the mullahs, sheiks, imams, etc, the lie of Islam’s weight would just crumble and fall.
 
I think people on this site are missing the point. I am not enthusiastic about the offending of 1.5 billion muslims in the world. Nonetheless, the criticism of religion, religious views, religious figures, morals etc, is not about emotional reaction, it is about secular truth and the pursuit of bettering society. The freedoms that many in the West take for granted were earned by those willing to be heretics, to stand against those who professed to not only know the absolute truth but those who enforced with the sword their beliefs, and through many years of battle and plight and spilling of blood, these advantages were won for you. Multiculturalism nullifies the significance of these people's sacrifices. It thrives not off the respect for reason and science and the criticism it allows to improve itself, but off the destruction of reason itself, and those who wish to retain standards for it, not to mention your culture. Again, I am not enthusiastic about offending people, but freedom comes at a price, make no mistake. If you can not criticize Muhammad or laugh at him can you criticize or mock Islam's moral teachings? How can you then expect to teach tolerance and assimilate those who come to your shores and demand that you submit? Do not think about your luxury today, think about those who will suffer gravely tomorrow from your complacency; those who will have to fight for their freedom to do the things you take for granted, the rights that you undermine with these ideologies and the sacrifices you ignorantly discard. Freedom of speech and expression are not only promised and secured for those we agree with. If we believe in freedom of expression for only those we agree with, we do not believe in it at all. We must all remember that if you do not fight for one's right to say and do such things today, by hurting some today, we make life worse for those who wish to tomorrow, and we erode away at the cultural conditions that give rise to rational, and dialectical progress, and we must see and cater to this ratio, so that we do not starve the lifeblood of progression. We must sometimes make some sacrifice now for bigger gains later. People, do not forget, that when you have an idea that you wish to be heard, a philosophy, a mathematical theorem, it must be heard by a willing society, for it to have a positive impact on humanity. If it is denied, censored, or destroyed it may be lost in the expanse of time forever. We can not, and must not afford this, as a species. We can not know truth before we know it, and that is precisely what religion claims. This is why we must respect and must demand respect for criticism, for free speech. It is through these processes that we reach better ideas. Surely it is not always the case, but it certainly increases the probability. Do not leave the destiny of humanity and our path to a bunch of uneducated fool Imams in the desert. You must fight for influence against those who would take it away from you, sometimes indefinitely, when you would charitable allow equal footing and influence for them. Sometimes, even when you fight for the rights of those you despise or disagree with, to speak freely, you fight for not only your own liberty and well being but for all of humanity. Thank you.
 
Muhammad married his son's wife. Muhammad's son Zayd ibn Haritha was a DAYYOUTH and QAWWAAD.He sold his wife to Muhammmed
 
Muslims are THE dumbest people on th planet.

Some smelly paedophile called Muhammed went up a mountian, changed some of the bible himself, then came back down threatening people with violence, or death by his packi sword.

Yes what a holy righteous man that child butchering, bullying paedophile was ahaha.

islam is the anti christ. The bible says there will be a religion that will copy it, and it will be the anti christ.
 
TO THE PERSON LAMENTING OUR LACK OF HARMONY IN THIS WORLD. I DO SO AGREE. DOES'NT IT MAKE SENSE THAT ALL THE HOSTILITY ONLY SERVES TO CREATE A PRISON FOR US THAT AREN'T RICH ENOUGH TO DEFEND OURSELVES. HAVE WE NEVER CONSIDERED THAT MOSTLY THE AVERAGE INCOME (IE...THE MAJORITY IN A POPULATION) DIE IN FOREIGN WARS. AND ALL THE BENFITS GO TO THE MAN IN THE MULTI MILLION DOLLAR MANSION IN AMERICA OR THE MAN IN THE 20 BILLION DOLLAR CASTLE IN EUROPE OR THE OIL BARON WHO SAILS THE CASPIAN VIA A FLEET OF 700 PLUS FOOT YACHTS. SO WHY SELECT A SIMPLE MAN AS A TARGET WHEN ITS NOT HIM THAT CREATED THE FOREIGN POLICIES THAT SUBJUGATED YOUR PEOPLE. THAT SAME GOVERNMENT SUBJUGATES ITS PEOPLE. THE POINT BEING. SHOULDN'T WE, BEING THAT WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME POSITION, BE BANDING OURSELVES TOGETHER IN SOME WAY. CREATING A POOR PERSON CLUB INSTEAD OF A NATIONALISTIC CLUB. THIS CARTOON, IT SMACKS TO ME OF THE RICH CLUB PERPETUATING THE HOSTILITIES TO KEEP THE POOR PERSON SECTS IN LINE. DOESN'T ANYONE ELSE IN THIS WORLD SEE THAT HATING ONLY HARMS THE HATER. AND IN THIS CASE LINES THE POCKETS OF THE ARMS SUPPLIERS AND OIL COMPANIES. I KNOW ITS FUN TO USE THESE THINGS TO DEBATE OUR PERSPECTIVE RELIGIONS. BUT FOR ONCE LETS LOOK MORE CAREFULLY AT THE TANGIBLE COSTS OF THIS DEBATE. IN THE END, IT CAN ONLY BE INEVITABLE, THAT BY CONTINUING TO PROMOTE THIS VERBAL WAR IT CAN ONLY ESCALATE. AND IN THE LAST MOVE OF THIS DEADLY GAME, YOU WILL BE KILLING YOUR BOYFRIEND, BROTHER, SISTER, MOTHER, FATHER, WITH YOUR ANGER OVER NOT BEING AGREED WITH BY SOMEONE THAT LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET.
 
Are you a Muslim yourself? Why are you the one being offended? The good parts of Islam were are all taken from either Christianity or Judaism? The other parts were all made-up by a mortal man. Also, I like to express that I hate the actions of muslims not that they are muslim. I hate what they do, I do not hate them just because they are Muslim.
 
Try not to make me laugh. Are you trying to be politically correct? How can I be inciting hatred when I'm telling the truth! I do not have an anti-muslim sentiment and if I do I'm not afraid to speak openly or rationally about the subject because unlike you I don't care to keep up my appearance, for the sake of public relations. What your doing is relinquishing justice into the hands of Islamists.
 
Yes, of course I would like peace, I would like to live in harmony with muslims. I'm not against Muslims. I'm against Islamists. I think we should stand together as one against forms of violence, ignorance and intolerance. In the Islamist mindset non-muslims should not co-exist with muslims. Muslims oppose this they see non-muslims as their enemy. The concept of love of neighbour does not exist. There is only love for fellow Muslims, who, for example, are told in 5:59, "Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends." Also in 9:29, "Fight those who believe not in Allah or his Apostle, even if they are the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] until they submit"! How can anyone force anything on anybody whether it's true or not? Tell me can you actually justify the use of force for the benefit of your faith? I'm not starting any war, this war has already been started 14 centuries ago. Do you think I'm unfairly picking on muslims? So, how come we're reading so many people being killed by Islamist through out the middle east? Is the whole news agencies inflating these events? Does the whole world have Islamaphobia?
 
What tolerance do you see from Islamists? Who do you think Muhammad was? What do you expect of his followers to be like today? What more can I say about Muhammad? The United States Department of Justice has used its own ad hoc definitions of jihad in indictments of individuals involved in terrorist activities: "
As used in this First Superseding Indictment, 'Jihad' is the Arabic word meaning 'holy war'. In this context, jihad refers to the use of violence, including paramilitary action against persons, governments deemed to be enemies of the fundamentalist version of Islam."[340]
"As used in this Superseding Indictment, 'violent jihad' or 'jihad' include planning, preparing for, and engaging in, acts of physical violence, including murder, maiming, kidnapping, and hostage-taking." Tell me, what kind of person do you identify Muhammad as? He was a crooked, liar. His path was crooked and he lied to make himself such a great prophet., " The seal of the prophets." I'm confused? What harmony are you talking about? The entire history of Islam's conquest and rule was the use of violence and terror. Do you understand the point that I'm trying to make? Look at history. There can never be a denial of history. Just go and look it up. I'm tired of writing this. Try www.thereligionofpeace.com
 
If harmony means Islamist's ravaging our world and the shedding of innocent blood... Than I'm sorry if I hurt or offended you. I like to thank you very much for your opinions and for all your help. We can all relax knowing Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance and liberty.

Some moderate muslims who have'nt studied or read the koran entirely may reject its ideas but many muslims who accept the principle koranic beliefs, believe their duty in serving God is to bring about the destruction of the decadent west, as they see it, to achieve this goal of a new Islamic world order ultimately for the cause of Allah. Either through violence or demographics. Time will tell. This is occurring at the present in Europe. The eventual Islamization of Europe and the consequent overthrow of the continent itself.

Before you can blame their hostility on materialist reasons such as the Israeli occupation, poverty or through remembrance of western Imperialism. This has more to do with their spiritual need. This is the reality, Muslims will keep dieing for Islam until they submit everybody.
 
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