Imams showed pedophile Mohamed

if u a danish person u must to know that u are pigs & dogs,i promise the danish people and everyone who r not muslime will go to the hill of our god we will see u burning in the hill,u are whom not respect hummanity and human rights,u r whom ran out of virgins,u are like animals fuking yourself & ur sisters & doughters, one day we will kill all of u, we have a great god but u have nothing.
 

If I go to hell - then what happens to the imams who produced these blasphemous pictures?
 

If it were not for oil no-one would give toss what muslims think. I certainly don't - long live free speech and shame on all of those newspaper editors (especially in the UK) who are too timid to print the cartoons. We fought against nazi fanaticism and ideas of racial superiority - we should do the same (with words) against muslim fanaticism and ideas of religious superiority.
 

JUST I WISH TO TELL YOU THAT
IF YOU ARE BELIEVED OR NOT
HERE YOU HAVE TO BE IN RESPECT TO OTHER RELIGIONS TO HUMANBEANS
NO ONE DOES ANYTHING UNRESPECTABLE THINGS TO YOUR BELIEVED POSITION.
ANY HOW THATS THE ONE OF THE PERSON HE DOES NOT HIMSELF ,HE DONE TO VERY TERRIBLE THINGS AGAINIST THE ISLAMITISH COMMENTMENT
THAT IS VERY TERRIBLE. PERHAPS HE DOESNOT LIKE TO LIVE MUCH MORE. BUT THE MOSLEMS ARE BELIEVED THE GOD ,AND THEY ALL IN RESPECT OF THE GOD DONT DO ANYTHING TO HUMANS
BECEAUSE OF THAT THE GOD CREATED HUMAN MAY GOD KILL THE HUMAN.
JUST MAKE IN YOUR MIND UP..
BE CAREFULLY WE DOES NOT LİKE TO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER GOOD HOPE PEOPLE..
WE ARE ISLAMITISH PEOPLE WE HAVE RESPECT ALL OF THE HUMANBEANS FROM BY GOD...
 

I'm not sure whom you mean, when you say "you" and "he".

Are you referring to the Muslim who has produced these three blasphemous drawings?

Are you referring to the Muslims who have distributed these three blasphemous drawings all over the Middle East?

Are you referring to the Muslim Imams who have displayed these three blasphemous drawings on BBC and al-Jazeera?

Again: These blasphemous and insulting images have *never* appeared in JyllandsPosten or any other newspaper - no matter what your lying imams tell you.
 

Hello Atiest.

Indeed the pictures you have posted up there are very humiliating and blasphemous. Also I have no idea whether they are the part of the 12 or reproduced by Imams/hypocrites whatsoever.

Anyhow, as you and I both feel such pathetic approach for igniting flames between countries is extremely pityful; I just have a request. I would like to see the original 12 comics that were published. It is better for us to see what was actually published than scream around about what was forged into the Islamic world.

I would appreciate it if you can send me the image files on saadz786@gmail.com, thank you.
 

The justification for publishing such offending cartoons and images as "liberty of press" is a joke because the claimed "liberty of press" does not justify offending other's religions and beliefs. In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests organizations and the war crimes comitted by the israeli troops and collective punishments practiced by the israeli occupation against the palestinian peoples (such as blowing up women and children, raping, killing...etc.) That's also nothing compared to your adopting laws preventing the freedom of speech about the holocoast and about the lies you feed your people about the zionest attrosties and criminalities against humanity. You prevent mentioning any of this in your "free speech" papers and press and so. We didn't see any word mentioning these facts... where is your liberty of speech?? or is it just an excuse you use to justify feeding people's mind with false accusations about the muslim religion and other beliefs. In the end , just to prove my point.. the right of freedom of speech ends when it starts asserting other people's freedoms and beliefs. This is a widely known fact
 

Fuck Islam - Burn in hell you pedophile praising infidels. Your god was created by an insane homicidal pedophile. May the Danes sweep you out of their country and may the USA sweep you off the face of the Earth.
 

Everything I ever needed to know about Islam, I learned on 9/11/01 !! "Religion" of peace my ass.
 

All islamic scum need to be covered in pigs blood and burned to death. Religion of peace? What a joke more like religion of pieces of garbage. 3 cheers for Denmark and remeber pedophile worshiping swine....America is coming for your ass!!!
 

ISLAM.......... religion of peace?

Religion of the damned I think.
 

fucking muslims ......... eat pig and die
 

Religion is the roth to all evil, especially islam. Burn in hell all you fucking muslim assholes. Muslims has to much incest in their genes. You fuck inside the familly, it shows. Stop fucking your daughters, sons, mothers and fathers and you stop behaving like pigs some day. You don´t eat pig because you are not cannibal?
 

I hope the free west wipe Islam and all it's extremist elements off the face of the earth. These ISLAM scum are worse than Cockroaches.
 

Hi L u D a

> I would like to see the original 12 comics

The links are in the top right corner of every page, but let me repeat them here for you:

Franz Füchsel
Peder Bundgaard
Poul Erik Poulsen
Claus Seidel
Kurt Westergaard
Rasmus Sand Høyer
Jens-Julius
Erik Abild Sørensen
Arne Sørensen
Annette Carlsen
Bob Katzenelson
Lars Refn

They were never meant to "ignit[e] flames between countries", they appeared 4 months ago in a small Danish paper and if the Imams hadn't made it a global issue, nobody - including me(!) - would ever have seen them.

As they say: Today's fish is wrapped in yesterday's newspaper. :)
 

"Honest person" - come off it! The reason that papers don't print much of the stuff you are ranting about is because it never happened. If the Arab street spent its time learning the difference between what really happens in the world and the infantile conspiricy theories to which the street appears addicted then the world would be a safer place.

To all of you god/allah fearing types - time to realise you have been had for 4000 years: he/it/she does not exist! And I won't have his/its/her supposed laws and rules (read superstions) rammed down my throat - thank you.

To those of you slinging vulgar and plain nasty insults at muslims in general, you are just being biggoted and crass - you do no service to civilised western values, so please pipe down
 

First of all sorry by my English but,

What type of religion is this?

1- His founder, Mohammed was a warrior, (killed human beings, this is a fact),

2- Suferred of a neurological disorder (epilepsy) at that time -7th century- no treatment for him (this is a fact, actually there is enough evidence of suffering of severe headaches and perceptual disturbances, aggravated if acohol was used, so finally he stopped and prohibited his use).

3-Used to take drugs (hasis) under which had his "revelations" from God .(this is a fact too,known today by any psychiatrist as visual hallucinations).

4-Was a paedophile(read de Q'ran,
a 6-year-old girl was one of his "wives")

5-Now, why the muslims don't eat pig? Simple. At that time was a sanitary measure, to avoid possilbe deseases and infections (fact:a bacteria that was in the pork meat)like today cow deasease.

What surprises me is that with that curriculum vitae Mohammed has followers today.
The answer is simple, and it comes from the science of psychology.It is called "brain washing", at what age?

It should be done between 4 and 12 to get the maximun benefits! A good example is reading the biographies of the hijackers in Sept.11 of 2001, all of those little kids were brain washed.

So?

Well..a fake prophet, and a religion that soon o later will disappear. due to sociological and economical reasons, like many other religions in the past have disappeard, this religion is only one more, and a dysfunctional one.

We should be optimistic about it.!

Ihave faith in the common sense of humankind.

Cheers.
 

> The justification for publishing such offending cartoons and images as "liberty of press" is a joke

If that had been the only reason you might have a point.
But the real problem was that everybody was scared of *violent* thugs.

Let me tell you something about myself: I'm an Atheist and this Blog was initially meant to expose Christian hypocrisy and corruption - that's why it's called Bibelen.blogspot.com. I have stayed anonymous from day one - not because of fear of Christians - but just in case that one day I might have to mention Islam.

Do you see my point? Christians can take criticism - Muslims can't.

We can criticize God, Jesus, the Queen, the Prime Minister, any Hindus, Baptists, Jehovah's Witness, Asa-true, Evangelist, Wiccan, Hara Krishna, Buddhist - but try to criticize Islam and you become another Theo van Gogh.


> because the claimed "liberty of press" does not justify offending others religions and beliefs.

There are blasphemy laws in Denmark. The Imams referenced this law (paragraph 140) in their complaint so they know all about it.


> In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests....

The 12 drawings appeared in a single Danish paper September 30th.
Are you saying that in the mean time there hasn't been a single pro-Palestinian / anti-Israeli article in a Danish newspaper??
Because if *that's* what you're saying, I'll call you an idiot and a liar.


> laws preventing the freedom of speech about the holocoast

There's no such law in Denmark. You must confuse us with the Germans.


> You prevent mentioning any of this in your "free speech" papers and press and so.

What do you mean by "you"? Me? Denmark? Europe?
Are you aware that Hizb-ut-Tahrir is legal in Denmark?
Are you aware that many of the lying Imams are living in Denmark because they were kicked out of their home countries?


> the right of freedom of speech ends when it starts asserting other people's freedoms and beliefs. This is a widely known fact

What rot. If you don't like a newspaper article - turn the page. If the paper repeatedly offends you - cancel your subscription. Grow up - get a life.
 

It is terrible how women in most muslim countries have little or no rights. I am a Christian and my family supports a missionary in indonesia. We fear for his life because of mulims. They kill countless christians each year. What would happen if we killed a muslim in America? We would be condemned! Tell you are peaceful to the countless killed in Sudan. Tell tham you are peaceful as long as they agree with you. 9:111(Koran) Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for his cause, kill and be killed. Notice the verse!!!!!!!!!!
 

> 5-Now, why the muslims don't eat pig? Simple. At that time was a sanitary measure, to avoid possilbe deseases and infections (fact:a bacteria that was in the pork meat)like today cow deasease.

Actually is the other way around.

God allows you to eat any kind of meats:

Genesis 9, 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Moses says God is a fool and forbids lots of animals including rabbits and camels: (Leviticus 11)

3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
4 "'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you.
5 The coney, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.
6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.

Jesus tells us Moses is an even bigger fool, and all animals (including pork) are A-OK with God:

Mark 7,14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this.
Mark 7,15 Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.'"

St. Peter calls Jesus a liar : Jesus has never said we could eat unclean meats:

Acts 10:14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

St. Paul tells us that true believers only eat meat

Romans 14,2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

Finally Allah explains that it was all a joke - and that it only applies to Jewish people:

al-An'am, 146 And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

The moral is: Religion will fry your noodle.
 

If you believe in the history of the Bible, not even going to argue the miracles etc. But the history tells us that the descedants of Ishmael were obliterated and none survived when Joshua entered Israel (the Promised Land). But the Muslims claim to be sons of Ishmael so they can take the title of prohpet for Mohhamed. It is interesting to me that it says the sons of Ishmael will be the bane of the world, causing pain, and strife. One day political correctness will evaporate and the world will choose sides. I fear that day...
 

Do something good today and go to your local library and check out the Koran if they have it. Don't read it. Burn it. It won't cost that much in lost book fees and you'll be doing everyone a favor.

Fuck you Muslims, your pedophile prophet and your fucking Religion of Peace.
 

"Honest person" - come off it! The reason that papers don't print much of the stuff you are ranting about is because it never happened."


******If you believe what you have written above then I really do pity you. Never happened?? do you live in this planet?? Have you heard the term "Zionism"?? Do you even know that there was a piece of land on this earth called Palestine?? Do you know that it was taken by force and occupied by the Israelis?? Where do the Israeli tanks and colonies stand and exist now?? and what are the Israeli troops practicing right now this very moment on the Palestinian soil?? but no...! no one acknowledges what these troops do... they only insist on showing what the Palestinians do in defense... ! In fact the reason I feel sorry for you the most is that YOU should know what really happens, but you don't due to the "free press and advertisement" you are so keen on defending . I'm sorry to tell you but we are here... we are living it every moment and every day... ! but no please don't believe us.... take the word of you so claimed honest press...




"If the Arab street spent its time learning the difference between what really happens in the world and the infantile conspiracy theories to which the street appears addicted then the world would be a safer place."

****I understand perfectly well...all the world's streets ( not ours) will be safer when the atrocities and the aggression of the western powers and the Zionist controlled governments in your so called "great free west" stop and be really civilized, free human societies.


"To those of you slinging vulgar and plain nasty insults at Muslims in general, you are just being biggoted and crass - you do no service to civilised western values, so please pipe down."

*****well said... this shows that you find many sick ill minded and distorted people in ALL CULTURS who reflect bad impressions about their nations when they do such actions... this shows that we cannot judge based on the ill actions of these few.


"What type of religion is this?

1- His founder, Mohammed was a warrior, (killed human beings, this is a fact),"

*******This is a fact?? Based on what?? On you deep study of Islamic history and its principles? For your information... the FACT is that Mohammed was a Sheppard , turned merchant . He brought a message and defended it against people who attacked him. He tried to spread the word of God which calls for equality, justice, and believe it or not... PEACE!!... Please do not talk about things you don't know... you will only embarrass yourself and show your ignorance by stating such statements.


2- "Suferred of a neurological disorder (epilepsy) at that time -7th century- no treatment for him (this is a fact, actually there is enough evidence of suffering of severe headaches and perceptual disturbances, aggravated if acohol was used, so finally he stopped and prohibited his use).
3-Used to take drugs (hasis) under which had his "revelations" from God .(this is a fact too,known today by any psychiatrist as visual hallucinations)."


******hehehehe this really made me laugh. Do you know the name of the doctor who diagnosed him at that time?? This is absurd... I don't know why I'm answering it.
as for the drugs part... at that time, drugs or (hashish) as you mention were not available for the fact that it can not grow in deserts...this shows how low you would sink to prove a false point with lies and reflect how shallow minded and ignorant you are.

"4-Was a paedophile(read de Q'ran,
a 6-year-old girl was one of his "wives")"

******you read the Koran upside down... what you mentioned does not exist... the youngest of his wives was "aisha" , and she had hit puberty way before they got married her.... and generally women in Arabia mature much earlier than in the west due to local climatic differences.


"5-Now, why the muslims don't eat pig? Simple. At that time was a sanitary measure, to avoid possilbe deseases and infections (fact:a bacteria that was in the pork meat)like today cow deasease.
******Well..a fake prophet, and a religion that soon o later will disappear. due to sociological and economical reasons, like many other religions in the past have disappeard, this religion is only one more, and a dysfunctional one.
have little or no rights. I am a Christian and my family supports a missionary in indonesia."

as for the pig part... may i know the source of your information??? and if it was a fact then why didn't the west stop eating it as well??

a fake prophet and a religion the soon will disappear... well, it has been more than 1400 years and we are still standing strong and GROWING! even in the west... if that doesn't tell you something... please go research and read some real information... don't believe anything the media says... our religion CONDEMS terrorisim... and is calls for anything but brainwashing... it is based on justice, equality, protection of human values and valuable... it doesn't belittle women... on the contrary... it also RESPECTS and ACKNOWLEDGES christianity and Jewidisim. Please don't mix up COUNTRIES traditions (indonisia, india... etc) with muslim rules... this is a common mistakes.

**TO ATEIST:
"Do you see my point? Christians can take criticism - Muslims can't."
*****There is a major difference between criticizing and OFFENDING other... Religions are personal beliefs... they are private. and should not be tampered with... if it was just criticism for the sake of a joke we wouldn't mind that much... what pisses us off is that what was put in your paper was evil, untrue and gave people the impression that the Muslim religion called for terrorism which is totally the opposite.. Educated people might know that but the majority of masses will form the idea that this is the religion of terrorism in their heads.

"> In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests....

The 12 drawings appeared in a single Danish paper September 30th.
Are you saying that in the mean time there hasn't been a single pro-Palestinian / anti-Israeli article in a Danish newspaper??
Because if *that's* what you're saying, I'll call you an idiot and a liar........etc"

****You totally missed the point... !I meant that in the WEST freedom of press isn't practiced as freely as you think... but i will level with you... give me proof that you have printed the claimed articles often... and about the rubbish of mixing you up with Germany... tell me the truth.. Can anybody in Denmark give a lecture or a print about what really happened at the so called holocaust you think you know?? I have tried that and have been called anti Semitic (stereotype defense) and was forbidden from saying anymore...

"What rot. If you don't like a newspaper article - turn the page. If the paper repeatedly offends you - cancel your subscription. Grow up - get a life."

*****well we did turn the page and move on.... but the offense is worth mentioning as to clear up the wrong image you gave about us and to show that its nobody's right to offend others. (is this civilized enough for you?) And as for the growing up part... we are not the ones printing offensive CARTOONS for a laugh.

"Fuck Islam - Burn in hell you pedophile praising infidels. Your god ...."
******what you said reflects how low and an ill-minded person you are ... you are sick and distorted... i can sit here all day and think of nasty words i can say back to you but my culture and religion prevent me from that... what can i say?? people are a reflection of their societies and civilizations... i get a perfectly clear picture of yours..
"do something useful…."
*****I'm glad that this is what you call useful… ! It shows that we are much more civilized than you are… I feel sorry for you
 

ABSURD
Why do some people think that they can defend God from insults?
It must be a very weak god with negative emotions that we despise in human beings such as anger, hatred, jealousy, insecurity. What kind of a god is that? It does not deserve my esteem. Mohammed was a homicidal asshole. If you Moslems keep this up, the rest of the world might have to destroy the whole lot of you in self defence. Is that not the Islamicist program? To kill anyone who does not consent to pay homage to mecca? Well, go to hell.

I am from Africa and I hate the destruction that you idiots have done there over the centuries. MORE CARTOONS PLEASE!
 

I despise Christianity just as much. So much foolishness and irrationality, but at least they do not react in homicidal rage. Moslems need to floss their brains of that stink.
They do know how elevating it is not to depend on heavenly rewards or punishments to do the right thing. It is a lot more noble.

ABSURD
 

Hmmm... this debate is definately going wrong. Basically the depicting of religious figures (mohammed, Jesus etc.) is legal under Danish law.

Religion is considered a private thing.

Now, I am aware that, that not necessarily is the case in other countries. That's just too bad, there is really nothing we can do about it in Denmark.

However, Denmark is one of the prime contributors to the Palestinians in Gaze and on the West Bank, and has been for more that 20 years.

How dare you question our right to free speech? We have ALWAYS been on your side, in the proces of building a free and independant Palestine. And now this!

We should definately stop the flow of money in that direction, you people (islamists) are just plain sick in your heads...
 

I sleep well thinking that the Prophet Mohammed-the warrior-, and his terrorists are in hell.

Thank you Saint Peter, my friend!
 

"Honest person" - come off it! The reason that papers don't print much of the stuff you are ranting about is because it never happened."

To Honest Person

*Have you heard the term "Zionism"??

Yes i know that very well, let me let you in on a little secret that most of the enlightend world knows.. that movement stopped in 1949, their goal was to create a indepentent Israel.

*Do you even know that there was a piece of land on this earth called Palestine?? Do you know that it was taken by force and occupied by the Israelis??

Actually it was owned by England and given to the jews, the arabs tried to take the land for themself, that started a civil war that the zionist movement won, but i guess in your mind that is sematics.

*Where do the Israeli tanks and colonies stand and exist now??

I guess they stand in Israel.. (is this a trick question?)

*and what are the Israeli troops practicing right now this very moment on the Palestinian soil??

Mmhh military training i would guess (again is this a trick question?)

*but no...! no one acknowledges what these troops do... they only insist on showing what the Palestinians do in defense... !

Ahh your talking about the Intifada. Well the danish and world media tell us alot, but if you so desperatly want the west to support you, why the hell do you bomb civilian as primary targets? (and no Israel is not doing that, if that was their intend they could Carpet bomb the Palestinians back to the stone age)

*In fact the reason I feel sorry for you the most is that YOU should know what really happens, but you don't due to the "free press and advertisement" you are so keen on defending

Yes im sure its much better to live in a military dictatorship where the church and government tell you what to think

*I'm sorry to tell you but we are here... we are living it every moment and every day... ! but no please don't believe us.... take the word of you so claimed honest press...

Well im happy you are there.. and that you live there.. (where ever the hell that is) please stay there and be happy

*I understand perfectly well...all the world's streets ( not ours) will be safer when the atrocities and the aggression of the western powers and the Zionist controlled governments in your so called "great free west" stop and be really civilized, free human societies.

And there you go again with those fantasy guys "zionists". lets look into some facts, all major wars since 1900 moslims has been involved, (Ottoman Empire WW1, allied with the nazist under WW2) and are involved in all terror attacks since 1960, and you question why the west at times comes down their to kick butt?

*This is a fact?? Based on what?? On you deep study of Islamic history and its principles? For your information... the FACT is that Mohammed was a Sheppard , turned merchant . He brought a message and defended it against people who attacked him. He tried to spread the word of God which calls for equality, justice, and believe it or not... PEACE!!... Please do not talk about things you don't know... you will only embarrass yourself and show your ignorance by stating such statements.

Ok so either we believe the western scholars that teach that he was a robber king and killed people, or we believe you and he was a peaceful man. Of course if that is the case, the entire arab world must have read the holy scripturs backwards and upside down.

*you read the Koran upside down... what you mentioned does not exist... the youngest of his wives was "aisha" , and she had hit puberty way before they got married her.... and generally women in Arabia mature much earlier than in the west due to local climatic differences.

hehhe ok, so in your idea greenlandish women are mature when they are 57? i cant even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.

*please go research and read some real information... don't believe anything the media says

Agreed why dont you do the same?

*our religion CONDEMS terrorisim.

With rewarding people that kill them self? why has NO official Moslem entity stood up and condemed? why do they always say "we think this is bad, but.." No more but's its time to choose side terror or no terror. that cant be so hard.. or can it??

*and is calls for anything but brainwashing... it is based on justice, equality, protection of human values and valuable

Which is why 80 % of the Moslem population is living by the scraps from europe's and US tables, and people are still being beheaded, stoned to dead, or gang raped.


*it doesn't belittle women... on the contrary

Which is why a women has no voting rights, no right to divorce, no right to show her self in makeup or western clothes (if she so desires) not allowed to drive a car, not allowed outside with being covered. yes truely the essence of free women.

*it also RESPECTS and ACKNOWLEDGES christianity and Jewidisim. Please don't mix up COUNTRIES traditions (indonisia, india... etc) with muslim rules... this is a common mistakes.

Dont worry i wont, btw. dont mix up countries you DONT own either.. India is NOT muslim, its hindu.
And yes in Indonesia religion is free, but in Iran, Irak and other muslim countries its not.

*There is a major difference between criticizing and OFFENDING other

So true, calling Islam terror supporting is criticizing, however if i said that You are a the sad product of a donkey and a goat i would be offending you.

*Religions are personal beliefs... they are private. and should not be tampered with

I agree Islam should stay out of the western world and christianity should stay out of arab nations.

*if it was just criticism for the sake of a joke we wouldn't mind that much

And it was, it was based on an article about freedom of speech.

*what pisses us off is that what was put in your paper was evil, untrue and gave people the impression that the Muslim religion called for terrorism which is totally the opposite..

Mhhh dont really see any proof that Islam dont support terrorism.
Let me ask you a question to answer your's: when was the last time you read that christian, buddists, hindu's or asa-true and so on, started suicide bombings or other terror activities (and NO Israel are not committing terror since they do not actually target civilians with intend, either does the western allies in Iraq)?? can it be not since the 60's??

*Educated people might know that but the majority of masses will form the idea that this is the religion of terrorism in their heads.

Which it to some extend is, or at least some part of it is like Wahabism.

*In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests....

True we dont write about things that happened 60 years ago, neither do we write about fantasies.

*You totally missed the point... !I meant that in the WEST freedom of press isn't practiced as freely as you think.

Which of course you (living in a military dictatorship) knows all about.

*but i will level with you... give me proof that you have printed the claimed articles often... and about the rubbish of mixing you up with Germany... tell me the truth.. Can anybody in Denmark give a lecture or a print about what really happened at the so called holocaust you think you know?? I have tried that and have been called anti Semitic (stereotype defense) and was forbidden from saying anymore...

Well thats because the thing you think "really" happened in holocaust (being one of the bastards that was allied to them) is a bit off the board. your reality of the holocaust is as little as your respect of democracy. So yes your arab nazi beliefs would be considered Anti-semitic and not welcome.

*well we did turn the page and move on

Well at least you turned the page and went on a rampage.

*but the offense is worth mentioning as to clear up the wrong image you gave about us and to show that its nobody's right to offend others. (is this civilized enough for you?)

Have you ever hear the expression dont throw with stone if you live in a glass house? when did the muslim world get global autority over what other counties print and write?

*And as for the growing up part... we are not the ones printing offensive CARTOONS for a laugh.

And we are not the ones burning down building and almost starting a war over this.
 

sneaking viper, I'm a muslim woman living in Jordan & unfortunately, I agree with you that this whole issue has been blown out of proportion. I think its outrageous that some people have burned down embassies and burned down flags. Although, I really do think that you guyz could have prevented all of this easily....!! I mean we are the THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES HERE. You surely could've handled us. If there is so many that would take it personally you might have taken the hint. This subject is really sensitive to some people here but there was no need for all of the fuss... I just want you to know that there are people here who think this way, although we don't agree that this is right but we agree that this is your opinion and you are free to express it... we don't have to agree with you!!... many people actually, almost all of the students at my university and many more who think this is stupid... don't judge the islamic world upon what you see and upon the actions of these extremests...! In my opinion, the issue could be handled really modernly and maturely... You guyz have the right to publish wutever you want... but you must acknowledge that many here have the right to PURCHASE the products they want.. so if you want to stick to your rights they will stick to theirs...! don't you agree?? (ps : I don't agree that was have been published isn't offensive its just that I don't care what your opinion of our religion is. I know what I am. This is how most of us feel here.)
 

*To Honest Man:

> Honest Man: if it was just criticism for the sake of a joke we wouldn't mind that much

If was no joke. Danish people are (literally) scared to death because many Muslim immigrants are extremely violent

You can't have a democratic society when violent thugs are making their own laws.


> Honest Man: what pisses us off is that what was put in your paper was evil, untrue and gave people the impression that the Muslim religion called for terrorism which is totally the opposite..

Allow me to respectfully quote a brave Muslim, Mr. Jihad Momani, "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?".


> Honest Man: give me proof that you have printed the claimed articles often...

We don't have articles about Zionists plots that only exist in your imagination, but I'll mention three incidents that may surprise you.

1) In Norway, Mullah Krekar, has declared war against Norway (link) saying "The war has begun, [. . .] It does not matter if the governments of Norway and Denmark apologize, the war is on.”

Let me repeat. A refugee who has lived in Norway for 15 years under Norwegian protection has declared war on Norway, and nothing can be done. Read the article and weep.

2) A similar thing happened in Denmark, when a prisoner was released from the Guantanamo base, after which the Danish Taliban warrior declared a war against our Prime Minister and our Foreign Minister.

Again nothing was ever done. link

3) On a more positive note: Last summer (2004) at Denmark's largest rock festival they build a copy of the new wall between Israel and Palestine. The copy was 5 meter broad and 8 meter tall, and guests at the festival were urged to write their names to show resistance against the wall being build in Israel: article with images


> Honest Man: and about the rubbish of mixing you up with Germany...

Germany have laws against the Holocaust-lie - Denmark doesn't


> Honest Man: tell me the truth.. Can anybody in Denmark give a lecture or a print about what really happened at the so called holocaust you think you know?? I have tried that and have been called anti Semitic (stereotype defense) and was forbidden from saying anymore...

I think you are confusing two concepts: The right to free speech and the right to a platform.

If you make your own newspaper, homepage or university, you'll have a platform.


Let me warn you though: Denmark has laws against racism, blasphemy, slander and inciting to crime.



> *****well we did turn the page and move on..

Good. That was four months ago. Did you also cancel your subscription to JyllandsPosten?

So why are people still torching the embassies in Damascus and Beirut?
 

To Honest Man

If you're interested in knowing "the truth" about Denmark and Palestine, you could ask Danish Palestinian Friendship Association.

I hope they'll agree with what I said. ;-)
 

How come some people think they have the right not to be insulted?

Besides, can't they let God be the judge? Why must blasphemers be beaten? Isn't it enough that they go to hell when they die?
 

> I sleep well thinking that the Prophet Mohammed-the warrior-, and his terrorists are in hell.
> Thank you Saint Peter, my friend!

sorry folks, there is no god, whichever side of the debate you are on.

it is interesting if the 3 pictures were added, as that would suggest deliberate incitement, but at the end of the day, it doesnt matter. your god doesn't exist. their god doesnt exist. nothing to see here, move along
 

******TO ATEIST:

I appreciate wut you have said regarding the points raised about palestine. It shows that you are a highly civilized person.

but I have some comments:


"If was no joke. Danish people are (literally) scared to death because many Muslim immigrants are extremely violent

You can't have a democratic society when violent thugs are making their own laws."

all the muslim populations living denmark are considered DANISH CITIZENS as other citizens living in DENMRAK. you have violent people from other religions and they should all be subjected to the danish law regardless of their religion. right??

"Allow me to respectfully quote a brave Muslim, Mr. Jihad Momani, "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"."

I agree with Mr. Jihad, but BOTH should be condemned. Offending people in their beliefs by publishing offending caricatures is damaging to the people of the whole islamic nation , and their feelings while the action of blowing up civilians will be damaging also and will be condemned by the whole nation and all the world. Ofcourse the damage caused by the blowup is much greater than these caricatures but both actions are the nonetheless harmful and condemned.


"We don't have articles about Zionists plots that only exist in your imagination, but I'll mention three incidents that may surprise you."

Again zionesm does not exist in my imagination... and its my right "free press" to say that Israel is the child of the zionism movement which has started 300 years ago.. its practices and atrocties and war crimes comitted have not found their way into your free press... and i would happily oblige by sending hyperlinks to many websites that would support my point.

"3) On a more positive note: Last summer (2004) at Denmark's largest rock festival they build a copy of the new wall between Israel and Palestine. The copy was 5 meter broad and 8 meter tall, and guests at the festival were urged to write their names to show resistance against the wall being build in "
well I didn't know that, and its absoulety great that some Danish people think this way, but my point is that this wall is resting on PALASTINIAN CONFISCATED LAND and it prevents the palestinian people from seeing their family and relatives who have been cut to 2 sides by this wall and Israel has illlegaly built this wall as an occupation action on the palastinian land as demonstrated of the decision of the international justic court in lahigh (holland) where it clearly stated in its decision about the disputed wall that it is illlegal and its an act of AGGRESSION.





*******SNEAKING VIPER
ARE YOU ON THE PAY ROLL OF THE MOSAD??

sorry to tell you that you don't know the
real aims and real goals of zionesm, in addition to the creation of the so-called Isreal. May we ask you how was Isreal to be created and where?? All the information you mentioned is FALSE and defies history majorly and the real facts.
Palestine was NOT owned by England. It was under british mandate as a part of the british colonial empire. It was FULLY ENHABITED by the palestinian people who had many cities and villages with a total active community. The Jewish agency started sending ill-legal immegrants to palestine to enhibit it. So the arabs didn't try to take the LAND FOR THEMSELVES, IT WAS ALREADY THEIRS. We may have to remind you that when the crusades tried to take jerusalem whom were they fighting?? can you remember?? try watching the movie "kingdom of heaven". The zionest immigrants supported by the colonial west raged a war to take the land from its rightful owners. That wasn't a CIVIL WAR, it was an OCCUPATIONAL / COLONIAL WAR with jewish terrorists (HAGANA/ SHTERN..ETC.) who introduced acts of terrorisim in the whole middleeast area which were unkown before. Examples :(blowing kind david's hotel in Jerusalem/ assisinating and killing Count Bernadot the representative of the UN to the area) is this all an illusion or fantasy in my mind or is it simply facts?? (THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION)
As for nowadays, not years before, the Israeli forces are occupational forces sitting on palestinian soil practicing all types of TERRORIST acts practiced on CIVILIANS and COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENTS ON THE WHOLE POPULATION OF PALESTINE. EXAMPLE : THE ATTACK ON THE CIVILIAN REFUGEE CAMP IN THE CITY OF GENIN, DESTROYING ALL THE HOUSES AND KILLING MANY OF ITS CIVILIAN POPLUATION, THE UN RECOGNIZED THIS AS AN ACT OF AGGRESSION AND OCCUPATION ATROCITY.
FYI, Israel airraids and bombing of palestinian cities results in killing civilians mainly children and women. The israeli troops practices collective punishment against CIVILIANS only. The prevent children from attending school, prevent sick and injured civilians from reaching hospitals by preventing the ambulances from reaching them. Many civilian palestinians died on the ground and couldn't reach hospitals to be treated there.
check out the story of "MOHAMED DURRA". and others.

I reapet fully... our RELIGION condems TERRORISIM... but it can't retain people from defending themselves agains occupation and state terrorisim. and have you heard the saying " an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"?? So if u wish to call the people who defend themselves as terrorist i'm dam well intrested what you call the occupation forces and their terrorist actions.

80% of the moslem population is living on the scraps??? well 100 % of the WESTERN WORLD IS LIVING ON THE STOLEN OIL FROM THE ARAB AND MOSLEM COUNTRIES. No people are beheaded under any civil laws in arab countires nor stoned nor gang raped. Actually these are FANTASIES created by your so called free press.

"Well thats because the thing you think "really" happened in holocaust (being one of the bastards that was allied to them) is a bit off the board. your reality of the holocaust is as little as your respect of democracy. So yes your arab nazi beliefs would be considered Anti-semitic and not welcome."


answering this way clearly supports my point that you don't have free press as called and you have double/triple standards. even if you think its bullshit, i should have the right to say my opinion not to mention real historical facts which were blown and twisted and exaggerated by the zionest movement to use its action and for its interest and its evil goals. Btw the zionest movements hasn't ENDED... it started 300 years ago and had many goals which you should research and study to really understand what is that movement and what is its aims. WE ARE NOT NAZIS, THIS IS THE STEREOTYPE USED BY THE MERE ZIONISTS THEMSELVES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM STATING THE REAL FACTS AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SITUATION. YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY ITS WELCOME OR NOT WELCOME... ARE YOU THE THE REPRESENTITVE OF THE DANISH PEOPLE?? people should be give a chance to hear all sides and facts...

AND YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONES BURNING BUILDINGS, BUT YOU WERE THE ONES WHO SET THE SMOKE AND STARTED OFFENDING PEOPLE'S BELIEF... GROW UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND RESPECT ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
 

It is heart wrenching to see what is happening. Muslim leaders are cashing in at the expensive of other peace loving Muslims. We the majority against violents. We even disagree our so called Muslims leaders who have successfully stirred unrest among the fanatics muslims who is a minority to the billion Muslims around the world. I'll be honest... I was offended by the pictures, but that doe not mean I must impose my disapproval to all. I love the freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion and free to be yourself.
That is something lacking in Muslim countries. Tyrants rulers who have ruled the countries for centuries has imposed rules for their own gain. Many of the things that the extremist claim or practised are not found in our holy Koran. Things are manipulated for their gain. We the small players and yet the majority are been suppressed. We had to accept the ideas of follow or die. There is no choice or freedom. We envy the Westerners. The freedom they have. We love USA president, Mr. Bush. To many, he is a Hero. The media never ask us how we feel. They only publish the minority outspoken fanatics. These extremists doesn't voice the majority. We hope Mr. Bush will bring freedom to our country like he is doing to Iraq. We women have no rights. Even now I had to ask my friend to pose my opinion fear someone might find out that I was writing this. We live in fear. Sometimes, no all the times we had to live by the minority influential ideas than our own. We are hiding in the name of religion. There is no freedom in middle east.
 

I hope the Danish government will prosecute the Danish imams who traveled around the Middle East inciting hatred and violence against Denmark. The hysterical Muslim mobs attacking and burning Danish embassies and forcing Danish people to flee these countries are the ugly proof of what their incitement has done. It makes me laugh to hear Muslims justify this epidemic of hateful violence by saying that the cartoons hurt their dignity. The rioters and their apologists have hurt their own dignity by what they have done.
 

Sneaking Viper,... You Rock dude!!!

Like the style

Salam alaykum :)
 

Honest man...
do you have an explanation as to why there is rioting now when these were published 4 months ago?

I'll save you some trouble. The Saudi Arabian government is instigating this to throw off attention from the fact that 351 people died in a stampede on their way to Mecca during their Haj. The main reason they died (and this has happened for many years) is because of S.A's incompetence. So the government controlled papers, rather than focus on this incident decided to drag back this story (which honest to pete, I saw maybe 3 images that are possibly offensive, but many of them were not at all offensive) to take the heat off of them. The Muslim world (which I know is actually all over the world) is being manipulated by the same people who conspired with Bush and brought us 9/11. If anyone is an enemy of peace, it's the Saudi royal family. I hope that people will calm down and stop getting agitated over a piece of paper! Images of Mahamoud have been made since Islam began, and there's not real rule about it in the Koran, merely a rule that Idolatry was a sin. The people who really are idolaters, the Christians and in particular, the Catholics, also have a rule against idolatry. They have images of Jesus, and of the crucifixion, which I personally find offensive, all over the place!

Here's the Saudi link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/5/13149/60748

And to that anonymous woman from a middle eastern country somewhere...

You said: "We hope Mr. Bush will bring freedom to our country like he is doing to Iraq. We women have no rights. Even now I had to ask my friend to pose my opinion fear someone might find out that I was writing this. We live in fear."

I don't know what planet you are living on my friend, but for Bush, bringing freedom to Iraq = killing innocent Iraqis. I don't think it's working very well as a democracy either. Iraq is a disaster. Iraq is in ruins. Bush is a war criminal and now he is violating our constitution. Don't wish him upon yourself. He's created rape rooms in Iraq, as well, and has directed that innocent people be tortured. Sometimes children are tortured or raped in front of their parents, or
women are raped in front of their husbands. This is not a man who is granting "The Freedom". Bush is a horrifying example of what can happen in a democracy when they can fix the elections. Everything he has done in his own country, every single thing, has hurt the people of America. He is illegally spying on us, he is directing that "detention camps" be built, he is "disappearing " people. In fact he's doing a lot of what the Saudi royal family does! And they are buddies. Hmmmm.

As to religion, it's gonna be the death of all of us. The thing that really is stupid though is that all three of the major monotheistic religions worship the same mythical God! And they can't get along. All of them need to GROW UP.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
- Denis Diderot
 

Islam is a religion for dogs in third world countries, if only they had no oil, then no one would give a fuck about these animals.
 

danish people u are pigs, and u know nothing about human rights, fuck your country, God is justing leaving u to laugh and enjoy your useless lives, but very soon god will teach u a lessaon that u will never forget, i not sad of what u are doing cause once you die u are in heal, hasbia allah wa ne3ma el wakeel,........... we will see who will laugh at who at last, the begininning is not important , the end is more important, one day we will pull u as dogs and dirty pigs.
 

at least we have God but u pigs have nothing.fuck all people aganist our religion islam.
 

But you muslims have to recognize that we westerns have good sense of humor!
I was looking at one of the cartoons and it shows Mohammed saying to a group of female muslims suicide bombers:

"STOP,STOP WE RAN OUT OF VIRGINS"!!!

LOF !!!!
 

Lara L.: Its nice to hear that you for some part agree with the nonsense of all this (however you also made the "although", why do there need to be a justification for this?
I know that Jordan and Egypt are more moderate than most middleeastern countries which of course also explains your views i guess. And yes i know that this could have been prevented, but it was the iman's that went to the arab nations and spread these lies, Jyllandsposten didnt start sending their newspaper to the middleeast. And i agree with you about respecting the law of the countries, in Denmark this is not illegal (no matter how upsetting that is to the arab nations) and in the middleeast having the church dictating politics is allowed (thats not allowed in Denmark), follow the countries laws and the laws based in the geneva convention (which do NOT allow attacks by soldiers or Milita on diplomatic or Red Cross/Red Cresent/Red Diamond buildings, cars or personnel). Geneva Convention is IMHO above the laws of a country, since they cover the basis of diplomacy and aid, and the basic treatment of Prisoners, civilians and other non combatants.
But i agree that people should stick to their rights, but Arab rights don't extend to Denmark, just as danish rights dont extend to jordan i guess.

To Honest: Hehehehe no im not on the payrole of Mossad (like to be though, heard they pay good :o) )

*sorry to tell you that you don't know the real aims and real goals of zionesm, in addition to the creation of the so-called Isreal. May we ask you how was Isreal to be created and where??

In 1947, following increasing levels of violence by militant groups together with unsuccessful efforts to reconcile the Jewish and Arab populations, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate. The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, Jewish and Arab, giving about half the land area to each state. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.

Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly (on November 29, 1947), the Arab leadership rejected the plan and launched a guerilla war that included attacks on Jewish civilians. The Irgun Tsvai Leumi retaliated with attacks on Arabs, including Arab civilians.

On May 14, 1948, before the expiry of the British Mandate of Palestine at midnight of May 15, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.

And that explains that question i think.

*All the information you mentioned is FALSE and defies history majorly and the real facts.

It might defy your version of history but thats ok, as long as it fit to the history books of people that actually knows what they talk about.

*Palestine was NOT owned by England. It was under british mandate as a part of the british colonial empire.

Being a british colony or owned by Britan is the same thing.

*It was FULLY ENHABITED by the palestinian people who had many cities and villages with a total active community.

But of course it was, well some jews were living there and probably some british colonial masters but otherwise of course it was mostly arabs.

*The Jewish agency started sending ill-legal immegrants to palestine to enhibit it.

There was no Jewish agency that did anything, if you refer to Aliyah (1-3) it was immigrations not a organisation.

*So the arabs didn't try to take the LAND FOR THEMSELVES, IT WAS ALREADY THEIRS. We may have to remind you that when the crusades tried to take jerusalem whom were they fighting?? can you remember?? try watching the movie "kingdom of heaven".

Unlike you i dont base my knowledge on popular movies, but yes i have studied the crusades, but that dont change to fact that it has been owned by many people, first jews (hence the name Judea), then egyptians, Moors, Greek, Romans, christians, arabs and english.
So while there might have been a major arab population it still was British.

the zionist history i agree with a since it was a rhetorical question i will leave it at that.

As for nowadays, not years before, the Israeli forces are occupational forces sitting on palestinian soil practicing all types of TERRORIST acts practiced on CIVILIANS and COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENTS ON THE WHOLE POPULATION OF PALESTINE. EXAMPLE : THE ATTACK ON THE CIVILIAN REFUGEE CAMP IN THE CITY OF GENIN, DESTROYING ALL THE HOUSES AND KILLING MANY OF ITS CIVILIAN POPLUATION, THE UN RECOGNIZED THIS AS AN ACT OF AGGRESSION AND OCCUPATION ATROCITY.

Ohh you indeed hit the nail on that, it was a act of aggression and occupation NOT terrorism. see there actually is a difference.
And as i stated before, Israel does not commit terrorism, while their tactics can be critized at times, that does not mean that it is terrorism. check a dictonary for the meaning of this word please.

*FYI, Israel airraids and bombing of palestinian cities results in killing civilians mainly children and women. The israeli troops practices collective punishment against CIVILIANS only. The prevent children from attending school, prevent sick and injured civilians from reaching hospitals by preventing the ambulances from reaching them. Many civilian palestinians died on the ground and couldn't reach hospitals to be treated there.
check out the story of "MOHAMED DURRA". and others.

Bulls*** if Israel used tactics as you describe they wouldnt follow the rules of war and be hauled before the warcrimes tribunale. the reason most countries in the west support Israel is at they stay on and just up to the line between rules of war and terrorism. Hamas and the other cells have crossed that line long ago. Of course civilians get hit (that is called collatial damage) and this is unlucky but to be expected in a war. the goal is to minimize the casualties not target them like suicide bombers do.

*I reapet fully... our RELIGION condems TERRORISIM... but it can't retain people from defending themselves agains occupation and state terrorisim. and have you heard the saying " an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"?? So if u wish to call the people who defend themselves as terrorist i'm dam well intrested what you call the occupation forces and their terrorist actions.

Ok you like eye for an eye, well maybe the western countries should take and burn all the arab diplomatic buildings and religious buildings in the western world as you do in the middleeast. What do you think the reaction would be? would you all just say well ok i guess we deserved that?
And to the people defending them self. A resistance operative target materiel, production, logistic and soldiers. they NEVER target civilians!! get that into your thick head!

*80% of the moslem population is living on the scraps??? well 100 % of the WESTERN WORLD IS LIVING ON THE STOLEN OIL FROM THE ARAB AND MOSLEM COUNTRIES. No people are beheaded under any civil laws in arab countires nor stoned nor gang raped. Actually these are FANTASIES created by your so called free press.

No the oil that the west use is brought either through OPEC or with oil for food programs. however i dont really think that the muslem countries in Africa has that much oil, people are starving to dead down there while the oil sultans are sitting getting fat in the middleeast, how about helping your brother people?
So the Sharia laws are a lie are they, they are just fantasies made up by "My?" free press. mmhh intresting, btw. have i ever in any context giving indications that i live in Denmark, Europe or even in any western country?

*WE ARE NOT NAZIS, THIS IS THE STEREOTYPE USED BY THE MERE ZIONISTS THEMSELVES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM STATING THE REAL FACTS AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SITUATION. YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY ITS WELCOME OR NOT WELCOME

So your never hear about 13th Waffen SS Handschar? Muslims fighting on the nazi side, based in Jygoslavia and responsible in anti-partisan duties and routing out unwanted to be sent to gas chambers (mainly gypsies), created by the SS and Amin al-Husseini, The division had a Muslim Imam for each battalion and a Mullah for each regiment. It was the largest of the Muslim oriented divisions (21,065 men).

*ARE YOU THE THE REPRESENTITVE OF THE DANISH PEOPLE?? people should be give a chance to hear all sides and facts...

Actually i have never stated that i either live or represent danish, im sure the Vikings can speak for them self. and if you think Mohammed is angry about the cartoons, just wait until to you see the anger from Tor when you mess with his people ;)

*AND YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONES BURNING BUILDINGS, BUT YOU WERE THE ONES WHO SET THE SMOKE AND STARTED OFFENDING PEOPLE'S BELIEF... GROW UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND RESPECT ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

And i could say the same to you. get a life, stop taking everything to damned serious and try to think for yourself, stop stuffing Islam down over the world, we dont believe in your god, we dont want to believe in your god, we dont care about your god, or his rules or his ideas. we have had our revolt against too powerful churches and dictators, maybe its about time you do the same.
 

I have spent the good part of an hour reading everyone's comments.

I think it is really neat to see everyone's opinion on such a complex situation. Some things that people said absolutely make me cringe though... and I am astonished that people can actually say these things in good conscience. Proud of their words no less... how strange.

Religion is very strange, how we can all get so fundamental attached to the archaic ways of life. I feel like religion caters to making sense of the world for the time period that it is being developed.

Personally, I was raised as a Christian, however, in my youth I developed independence from it. But in no way do I hate religion. It certainly can be frustrating at times though.

Religion throughout our history has been very crucial to our development as a species. To say that Christianity or Islam has been around for 2000 years is really not that significant. That is as though to say that Judaism is more important because it has been around far longer. The point is that for specific societies, it has been necessary to have different rules to govern a people.

As civilization has advanced, we are constantly seeing a division between the spiritual leadership, and the government. Although this is not always a linear process, and we still see hiccups from the past, looking back throughout our history this is very clear. In time, this will become more apparent in the Arabian world as well. Turkey is a great example of this, and I am sure will continue to see development in the future.

I think Arab viewpoints in this thread, particularly "Honest Person" are not too distant from the truth. Western media (including where I am from), are very biased, and certainly does not give an accurate portrayal about what is really happening around the world. The main idea is give an insufficient amount of information about an event so that people don't begin to question why things like this are going on.

Media companies make their profit strictly from advertising products. What kind of corporation is going to want to advertise on news station that is saying, "Due to our excessive use of energy, we must invade Iraq to supply the oil we need for our SUVs."

Sales would drop.

This of course leads to media stations broadcasting the most pro-consumeristic views, such that the viewers never question the impacts of the products that they are buying. That is western media.

However, I don't want to criticize only western media. Clearly totalitarian media is not much better. But what it really comes down to, is that we are being fed information that is biased one way or the other. The key has to be reading between the lines.

The majority of our civilizations and cultural heritage holds vast periods of time where women did not have rights. In most countries, women recieved the right to vote only within the last 100 years. The USA didn't allow women to vote until 1920, not to mention land rights, divorce rights, etc.

And yet, I've read so many "holier than thou" posts about how Arab women have no rights, as though it is something that has been exclusive to their religion.

Christianity, and Judaism have also both been extremely violent in their histories. Take for example the Spanish Inquistition, or the Crusades in general.

And we even discredit or forget the great achievements of the Arabs in the past... further development of math and science while Europe was in the midst of their dark ages. But who ever thinks of Al'Jabr when they are learning math?

Midevil crucades sanctioned by the papacy, with aims to overtake Jerusalem is certianly the Zionism that we have been refering to here. This of course is still happening within political ideals, and I am with "Honest Person" when he says zionism is still going on to this day. Perhaps more subtle, but fundamental christians believe that the Jews must rebuild a temple in Jerusalem before Christ will return. So there is still some religious Zionism going on, let alone the fight politically.

For myself, I am not sure if there is a god, and if there is... which religion is right? I don't know the answer to this.

What I do know, is that the more you rip someone off, the more resent is going to develop. Not a good thing when nuclear programs are popping up all over the map.

Maybe we should try to be a little less at each others throats, and not further taunt each other on with childish name calling.

Again, this is a simplistic view of what is going on, and to be honest, I truly believe that the Arab people have a pretty good reason to be upset. Maybe not over these cartoons, but rather the perpetuation of Arabaphobia. And yet, it is the picture that Muslimism is painting in the western world. Suicide bombing is very radical, courageous, and extremely terrifying. Due to little exposure of Islam in the western world, Terrorism is the image that is being painted by these radicals.

And that is clearly what those cartoons depicted. I don't think that they were suggesting that every Islamic person is a terrorist, but rather that is the mosiac that is being created with every new suicidal bombing.

We need to think about everything. Imagine what it must be like in the other persons shoes. This is cliche to say, but it is so important. There isn't evil lurking... it is just the actions of a desperate voice.

Maybe we should listen to it.
 

Blu,
I appreciate your thoughtful and calming post. Would that more voices like you were in this blog!

And you are right, Zionism is still alive and well, and I think we can see that in Paul Wolfowitz and other members of PNAC who are also extremists in their Judaism, as well as the coordinating between those people and those on the Christian far right. I think a few people here need to realize that the ideology of Zionism is alive and well...It didn't "disappear" when Israel becamse a nation.

That being said, most Jews are not Zionists, and I know many Jews who are as appalled by Zionism, as I am appalled by the KKK. Extremism is in every contingent in our society, in almost every religion, in almost every nation. Fundamentalism is probably the biggest danger to peace and a sane world that exists in the world, whether that be a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Muslim, or a someone whose who's ideology makes them a Fascist (like Bush).

Fundamentalists, at their core, cannot critically think and must rely on an authority to tell them what to believe and how to think. Their world view is based on fear, and they fear anything different from themselves. If you wanna see scary, type in your google search "dominionists". These folks are the American taliban. They believe in executing anyone that doesn't adhere to their point of view, want to re-instate slavery, want to do away with public education, want to make all women submissive to men, and take away their ability to work, and want to place judicial power in the hands of ministers and clerics. oh, and anyone that isn't white and anglo? they want to enslave them. These people have an agenda and they are key elements in the base that support the Bush campaign.

In the US, they are really people to watch, especially now that we have a far right influence on the Supreme Court.

I pray, and I mean that metaphorically, because the only deity I acknowledge is Gaia, the planet that is, and the collective divinity that we all are, that the light will be cast on the Saudi government who is instigating this chaos through their lies and their planted photos. Let the Muslim world see who their real enemy is here, and it's not Denmark. It's the Saudi Arabian royal family, and it's their government. Considering how they treat their own people, and the fundamentalist Wahabaism they promote, which encourages such things as suicide bombings, which only gains those who do, the enmity of the world, and fear from those who are naive to the machinations of those in power. And I include Bush in that cabal.

Please people protest all you like, but know who your enemy is and stop the violence!
 

I'm sorry I meant "planted images", not "planted photos". And I'm refering to the 3 extra ones that the Imams are carrying.
 

I can't work out what religion these violent dickheads are practising or why they’re getting so worked up about a bunch of cartoons. Mohammed is open to public ridicule just like any other celeb, so get a grip. Imagine if supporters of Tom & Katie went nuts every time the media poked fun at them.
 

to the last anonymous:

Fundamentalists don't have an "ideology" that really adheres to their original religion. All Fundamentalists believe anything different is to be feared and any criticism is to be reacted to with violence or with an authoritarian iron clad boot. Fundamentalists are brainwashed ideologues who NEVER follow the original tenets of their original religion, instead they focus on the superstitious and hateful tenets of whatever their religion is and then claims those are the true tenets of that religion, and this is true across the board.

That being said, the fundamentalists are the ones reacting and setting fires, not the majority of Muslims. A majority of Muslims may be angry over a moderate issue that has been egged on by the Saudi government to cover their asses for the deaths of so many on the Haj, but most will not be inflamed to violence unless pressed against the wall by a "crusade" by the west.

Right now it is time to COOL temperatures, not incense them. Don't add to the hate. Chill out.
 

Blu, Fancy pan...! I'm RELIEVEDDDD to see some westerns who are educated and know what's going on around them!!! I thought no1 know what's really going on here (MIDDLEEAST) but i'm really glad to see people like you!! I'm always prepared to hear what the other side has to say and its nice some others are too..
 

Hi people.

I'm danish - And I am truly sorry for the distress thise drawings cost.

Here is a link to the original pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

I hope you find it in your hearts to forgive, even the people that distribute the three pictures above - I am a lawfull GOD-loving man, whom is sorry for the intolerant extremistic people - both ours and yours - the three above pictures are offensive and they have never beein publiched in any danish paper.

I truthly hope you will understand that most danes is NOT like that, we have children, jobs and wifes like any other good men - and dispice violence.

I pray that nobody will get hurt on either side in this dispute.

In the love of GOD - A distressed Dane.
 

Some of the writer's make much out of the fact that Palestine at the time of the British Mandate was occupied by Muslims. However, there were also, at that time, a sizeable number of Jews there. In 1917, the British, in recognition that there were both Jews and Arab inhabitants, adopted the Balfour Declaration which said there would be a division of Palestine between Arabs and Jews when they left. It s also incontrovertible that the Jews were the majority in Palestine during the Roman era and occupation, at a time when there waws no Moslem religion. So I guess the Muslim position is that once they conquor an area, it is theirs forever. Actually, I was once told, while visiting Beruit, Lebanon,when I asked an Islamic professor at the American University, "Why can't the Arabs come to some political arrangement with the Jews?" that, "Once Islamic, always Islamic!" Thus, the Moslem belief seems to be that once they occupy an area and impose their religion, no