|Akkari and the Akkari file (also known as the Akkari Dossier 43)|
It turns out that the 12 drawings in JyllandsPosten weren't sufficiently bad - at least not to justify a trip to the Middle East - so the imams have inserted a few extra images to make sure their trip wasn't a waste of money.
Danish Islamic Society claim they have received these images in mail, but they refuse to tell Danish newspapers, who has received them - and they won't allow the newspapers to interview these people. Danish Islamic Society has also failed to explain, why an entire country must be denigrated all over the Middle East because of 3 drawings mailed by a single person.
|Spokesman Akkari showing the press a photo of "Mohammed as a pig". Actually it's a photo from a French pig-calling competition|
As long as Danish Islamic Society have failed to properly explain, where they have obtained these images, why these images were distributed in the entire Middle East - and exactly what the Danish Islamic Society were hoping to achieve - we must assume the images belong to Danish Islamic Society.
The irony is that in doing so the Muslims have done exactly what they accuse the non-Muslims of doing: They have broken Muslim law by reproducing, publishing and distributing drawings of the prophet. And they have managed to out-blaspheme the infidel Danes by reproducing 3 blasphemous pictures that are far worse than anything ever published in JyllandsPosten.
|© Dansk Islamisk Trossamfund / © Danish Islamic Society|
These fake cartoons have never appeared in any Danish newspaper. They would probably be illegal. Only a lying imam, wanting to cause trouble, could think up such sick drawings.
|© Dansk Islamisk Trossamfund / © Danish Islamic Society|
The imams have not yet explained on their homepage, http://www.wakf.com/, why they distributed these disgusting images - and what they were hoping to achieve.
|© Dansk Islamisk Trossamfund / © Danish Islamic Society|
There's some evidence that the person who wrote this text is one, who has learned Arabic before he learned the Western alphabet: Revealed.
Added: The links on the newspaper's article has been non-functioning for a few days (some say because of overload), but they appear to work again. If not, try this Danish page. Alternatively you can see the images on this site instead: mysterier.org/politikk/ekstrabladet/hefte/
Added: The false Mohammed drawings have appeared on BBC and al-Jazeera.
|Video still: Imam Abu Bashar holding the Akkari file in Cairo: "This is one of the worst pictures can anyone ever imagine. They imagine our prophet(PBUH). Hands of a man praying and a face of a pig".|
Added: Mohammed as a pig was discussed on the "tour de imam" in Cairo (see photo to the right). You can see a video clip from Danish television at NeanderNews and Michelle Malkin. Both of these sites also have a transcript of spokesman for The Danish Islamic Society, Ahmed Akkari, who refuses to answer why he presented the pig-photo in Cairo, when it was not produced in Denmark.
Added: BBC apologizes for airing the false cartoon (and wrongly attributing them to JyllandsPosten) - but the apology is very hard to find on their site.
Added: One of the false Mohammed drawings has been identified .
Added: The so-called Akkari dossier is now available at WikiPedia.
Added: Don't forget to see the video about the false drawings: Taqiyya.
Added: The Akkari-dossier is now available in colour.
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IF YOU ARE BELIEVED OR NOT
HERE YOU HAVE TO BE IN RESPECT TO OTHER RELIGIONS TO HUMANBEANS
NO ONE DOES ANYTHING UNRESPECTABLE THINGS TO YOUR BELIEVED POSITION.
ANY HOW THATS THE ONE OF THE PERSON HE DOES NOT HIMSELF ,HE DONE TO VERY TERRIBLE THINGS AGAINIST THE ISLAMITISH COMMENTMENT
THAT IS VERY TERRIBLE. PERHAPS HE DOESNOT LIKE TO LIVE MUCH MORE. BUT THE MOSLEMS ARE BELIEVED THE GOD ,AND THEY ALL IN RESPECT OF THE GOD DONT DO ANYTHING TO HUMANS
BECEAUSE OF THAT THE GOD CREATED HUMAN MAY GOD KILL THE HUMAN.
JUST MAKE IN YOUR MIND UP..
BE CAREFULLY WE DOES NOT LİKE TO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER GOOD HOPE PEOPLE..
WE ARE ISLAMITISH PEOPLE WE HAVE RESPECT ALL OF THE HUMANBEANS FROM BY GOD...
Are you referring to the Muslim who has produced these three blasphemous drawings?
Are you referring to the Muslims who have distributed these three blasphemous drawings all over the Middle East?
Are you referring to the Muslim Imams who have displayed these three blasphemous drawings on BBC and al-Jazeera?
Again: These blasphemous and insulting images have *never* appeared in JyllandsPosten or any other newspaper - no matter what your lying imams tell you.
Indeed the pictures you have posted up there are very humiliating and blasphemous. Also I have no idea whether they are the part of the 12 or reproduced by Imams/hypocrites whatsoever.
Anyhow, as you and I both feel such pathetic approach for igniting flames between countries is extremely pityful; I just have a request. I would like to see the original 12 comics that were published. It is better for us to see what was actually published than scream around about what was forged into the Islamic world.
I would appreciate it if you can send me the image files on email@example.com, thank you.
> I would like to see the original 12 comics
The links are in the top right corner of every page, but let me repeat them here for you:
Poul Erik Poulsen
Rasmus Sand Høyer
Erik Abild Sørensen
They were never meant to "ignit[e] flames between countries", they appeared 4 months ago in a small Danish paper and if the Imams hadn't made it a global issue, nobody - including me(!) - would ever have seen them.
As they say: Today's fish is wrapped in yesterday's newspaper. :)
To all of you god/allah fearing types - time to realise you have been had for 4000 years: he/it/she does not exist! And I won't have his/its/her supposed laws and rules (read superstions) rammed down my throat - thank you.
To those of you slinging vulgar and plain nasty insults at muslims in general, you are just being biggoted and crass - you do no service to civilised western values, so please pipe down
What type of religion is this?
1- His founder, Mohammed was a warrior, (killed human beings, this is a fact),
2- Suferred of a neurological disorder (epilepsy) at that time -7th century- no treatment for him (this is a fact, actually there is enough evidence of suffering of severe headaches and perceptual disturbances, aggravated if acohol was used, so finally he stopped and prohibited his use).
3-Used to take drugs (hasis) under which had his "revelations" from God .(this is a fact too,known today by any psychiatrist as visual hallucinations).
4-Was a paedophile(read de Q'ran,
a 6-year-old girl was one of his "wives")
5-Now, why the muslims don't eat pig? Simple. At that time was a sanitary measure, to avoid possilbe deseases and infections (fact:a bacteria that was in the pork meat)like today cow deasease.
What surprises me is that with that curriculum vitae Mohammed has followers today.
The answer is simple, and it comes from the science of psychology.It is called "brain washing", at what age?
It should be done between 4 and 12 to get the maximun benefits! A good example is reading the biographies of the hijackers in Sept.11 of 2001, all of those little kids were brain washed.
Well..a fake prophet, and a religion that soon o later will disappear. due to sociological and economical reasons, like many other religions in the past have disappeard, this religion is only one more, and a dysfunctional one.
We should be optimistic about it.!
Ihave faith in the common sense of humankind.
If that had been the only reason you might have a point.
But the real problem was that everybody was scared of *violent* thugs.
Let me tell you something about myself: I'm an Atheist and this Blog was initially meant to expose Christian hypocrisy and corruption - that's why it's called Bibelen.blogspot.com. I have stayed anonymous from day one - not because of fear of Christians - but just in case that one day I might have to mention Islam.
Do you see my point? Christians can take criticism - Muslims can't.
We can criticize God, Jesus, the Queen, the Prime Minister, any Hindus, Baptists, Jehovah's Witness, Asa-true, Evangelist, Wiccan, Hara Krishna, Buddhist - but try to criticize Islam and you become another Theo van Gogh.
> because the claimed "liberty of press" does not justify offending others religions and beliefs.
There are blasphemy laws in Denmark. The Imams referenced this law (paragraph 140) in their complaint so they know all about it.
> In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests....
The 12 drawings appeared in a single Danish paper September 30th.
Are you saying that in the mean time there hasn't been a single pro-Palestinian / anti-Israeli article in a Danish newspaper??
Because if *that's* what you're saying, I'll call you an idiot and a liar.
> laws preventing the freedom of speech about the holocoast
There's no such law in Denmark. You must confuse us with the Germans.
> You prevent mentioning any of this in your "free speech" papers and press and so.
What do you mean by "you"? Me? Denmark? Europe?
Are you aware that Hizb-ut-Tahrir is legal in Denmark?
Are you aware that many of the lying Imams are living in Denmark because they were kicked out of their home countries?
> the right of freedom of speech ends when it starts asserting other people's freedoms and beliefs. This is a widely known fact
What rot. If you don't like a newspaper article - turn the page. If the paper repeatedly offends you - cancel your subscription. Grow up - get a life.
Actually is the other way around.
God allows you to eat any kind of meats:
Genesis 9, 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Moses says God is a fool and forbids lots of animals including rabbits and camels: (Leviticus 11)
3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
4 "'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you.
5 The coney, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.
6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.
Jesus tells us Moses is an even bigger fool, and all animals (including pork) are A-OK with God:
Mark 7,14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this.
Mark 7,15 Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.'"
St. Peter calls Jesus a liar : Jesus has never said we could eat unclean meats:
Acts 10:14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
St. Paul tells us that true believers only eat meat
Romans 14,2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
Finally Allah explains that it was all a joke - and that it only applies to Jewish people:
al-An'am, 146 And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.
The moral is: Religion will fry your noodle.
Fuck you Muslims, your pedophile prophet and your fucking Religion of Peace.
******If you believe what you have written above then I really do pity you. Never happened?? do you live in this planet?? Have you heard the term "Zionism"?? Do you even know that there was a piece of land on this earth called Palestine?? Do you know that it was taken by force and occupied by the Israelis?? Where do the Israeli tanks and colonies stand and exist now?? and what are the Israeli troops practicing right now this very moment on the Palestinian soil?? but no...! no one acknowledges what these troops do... they only insist on showing what the Palestinians do in defense... ! In fact the reason I feel sorry for you the most is that YOU should know what really happens, but you don't due to the "free press and advertisement" you are so keen on defending . I'm sorry to tell you but we are here... we are living it every moment and every day... ! but no please don't believe us.... take the word of you so claimed honest press...
"If the Arab street spent its time learning the difference between what really happens in the world and the infantile conspiracy theories to which the street appears addicted then the world would be a safer place."
****I understand perfectly well...all the world's streets ( not ours) will be safer when the atrocities and the aggression of the western powers and the Zionist controlled governments in your so called "great free west" stop and be really civilized, free human societies.
"To those of you slinging vulgar and plain nasty insults at Muslims in general, you are just being biggoted and crass - you do no service to civilised western values, so please pipe down."
*****well said... this shows that you find many sick ill minded and distorted people in ALL CULTURS who reflect bad impressions about their nations when they do such actions... this shows that we cannot judge based on the ill actions of these few.
"What type of religion is this?
1- His founder, Mohammed was a warrior, (killed human beings, this is a fact),"
*******This is a fact?? Based on what?? On you deep study of Islamic history and its principles? For your information... the FACT is that Mohammed was a Sheppard , turned merchant . He brought a message and defended it against people who attacked him. He tried to spread the word of God which calls for equality, justice, and believe it or not... PEACE!!... Please do not talk about things you don't know... you will only embarrass yourself and show your ignorance by stating such statements.
2- "Suferred of a neurological disorder (epilepsy) at that time -7th century- no treatment for him (this is a fact, actually there is enough evidence of suffering of severe headaches and perceptual disturbances, aggravated if acohol was used, so finally he stopped and prohibited his use).
3-Used to take drugs (hasis) under which had his "revelations" from God .(this is a fact too,known today by any psychiatrist as visual hallucinations)."
******hehehehe this really made me laugh. Do you know the name of the doctor who diagnosed him at that time?? This is absurd... I don't know why I'm answering it.
as for the drugs part... at that time, drugs or (hashish) as you mention were not available for the fact that it can not grow in deserts...this shows how low you would sink to prove a false point with lies and reflect how shallow minded and ignorant you are.
"4-Was a paedophile(read de Q'ran,
a 6-year-old girl was one of his "wives")"
******you read the Koran upside down... what you mentioned does not exist... the youngest of his wives was "aisha" , and she had hit puberty way before they got married her.... and generally women in Arabia mature much earlier than in the west due to local climatic differences.
"5-Now, why the muslims don't eat pig? Simple. At that time was a sanitary measure, to avoid possilbe deseases and infections (fact:a bacteria that was in the pork meat)like today cow deasease.
******Well..a fake prophet, and a religion that soon o later will disappear. due to sociological and economical reasons, like many other religions in the past have disappeard, this religion is only one more, and a dysfunctional one.
have little or no rights. I am a Christian and my family supports a missionary in indonesia."
as for the pig part... may i know the source of your information??? and if it was a fact then why didn't the west stop eating it as well??
a fake prophet and a religion the soon will disappear... well, it has been more than 1400 years and we are still standing strong and GROWING! even in the west... if that doesn't tell you something... please go research and read some real information... don't believe anything the media says... our religion CONDEMS terrorisim... and is calls for anything but brainwashing... it is based on justice, equality, protection of human values and valuable... it doesn't belittle women... on the contrary... it also RESPECTS and ACKNOWLEDGES christianity and Jewidisim. Please don't mix up COUNTRIES traditions (indonisia, india... etc) with muslim rules... this is a common mistakes.
"Do you see my point? Christians can take criticism - Muslims can't."
*****There is a major difference between criticizing and OFFENDING other... Religions are personal beliefs... they are private. and should not be tampered with... if it was just criticism for the sake of a joke we wouldn't mind that much... what pisses us off is that what was put in your paper was evil, untrue and gave people the impression that the Muslim religion called for terrorism which is totally the opposite.. Educated people might know that but the majority of masses will form the idea that this is the religion of terrorism in their heads.
"> In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests....
The 12 drawings appeared in a single Danish paper September 30th.
Are you saying that in the mean time there hasn't been a single pro-Palestinian / anti-Israeli article in a Danish newspaper??
Because if *that's* what you're saying, I'll call you an idiot and a liar........etc"
****You totally missed the point... !I meant that in the WEST freedom of press isn't practiced as freely as you think... but i will level with you... give me proof that you have printed the claimed articles often... and about the rubbish of mixing you up with Germany... tell me the truth.. Can anybody in Denmark give a lecture or a print about what really happened at the so called holocaust you think you know?? I have tried that and have been called anti Semitic (stereotype defense) and was forbidden from saying anymore...
"What rot. If you don't like a newspaper article - turn the page. If the paper repeatedly offends you - cancel your subscription. Grow up - get a life."
*****well we did turn the page and move on.... but the offense is worth mentioning as to clear up the wrong image you gave about us and to show that its nobody's right to offend others. (is this civilized enough for you?) And as for the growing up part... we are not the ones printing offensive CARTOONS for a laugh.
"Fuck Islam - Burn in hell you pedophile praising infidels. Your god ...."
******what you said reflects how low and an ill-minded person you are ... you are sick and distorted... i can sit here all day and think of nasty words i can say back to you but my culture and religion prevent me from that... what can i say?? people are a reflection of their societies and civilizations... i get a perfectly clear picture of yours..
"do something useful…."
*****I'm glad that this is what you call useful… ! It shows that we are much more civilized than you are… I feel sorry for you
Why do some people think that they can defend God from insults?
It must be a very weak god with negative emotions that we despise in human beings such as anger, hatred, jealousy, insecurity. What kind of a god is that? It does not deserve my esteem. Mohammed was a homicidal asshole. If you Moslems keep this up, the rest of the world might have to destroy the whole lot of you in self defence. Is that not the Islamicist program? To kill anyone who does not consent to pay homage to mecca? Well, go to hell.
I am from Africa and I hate the destruction that you idiots have done there over the centuries. MORE CARTOONS PLEASE!
They do know how elevating it is not to depend on heavenly rewards or punishments to do the right thing. It is a lot more noble.
Religion is considered a private thing.
Now, I am aware that, that not necessarily is the case in other countries. That's just too bad, there is really nothing we can do about it in Denmark.
However, Denmark is one of the prime contributors to the Palestinians in Gaze and on the West Bank, and has been for more that 20 years.
How dare you question our right to free speech? We have ALWAYS been on your side, in the proces of building a free and independant Palestine. And now this!
We should definately stop the flow of money in that direction, you people (islamists) are just plain sick in your heads...
Thank you Saint Peter, my friend!
To Honest Person
*Have you heard the term "Zionism"??
Yes i know that very well, let me let you in on a little secret that most of the enlightend world knows.. that movement stopped in 1949, their goal was to create a indepentent Israel.
*Do you even know that there was a piece of land on this earth called Palestine?? Do you know that it was taken by force and occupied by the Israelis??
Actually it was owned by England and given to the jews, the arabs tried to take the land for themself, that started a civil war that the zionist movement won, but i guess in your mind that is sematics.
*Where do the Israeli tanks and colonies stand and exist now??
I guess they stand in Israel.. (is this a trick question?)
*and what are the Israeli troops practicing right now this very moment on the Palestinian soil??
Mmhh military training i would guess (again is this a trick question?)
*but no...! no one acknowledges what these troops do... they only insist on showing what the Palestinians do in defense... !
Ahh your talking about the Intifada. Well the danish and world media tell us alot, but if you so desperatly want the west to support you, why the hell do you bomb civilian as primary targets? (and no Israel is not doing that, if that was their intend they could Carpet bomb the Palestinians back to the stone age)
*In fact the reason I feel sorry for you the most is that YOU should know what really happens, but you don't due to the "free press and advertisement" you are so keen on defending
Yes im sure its much better to live in a military dictatorship where the church and government tell you what to think
*I'm sorry to tell you but we are here... we are living it every moment and every day... ! but no please don't believe us.... take the word of you so claimed honest press...
Well im happy you are there.. and that you live there.. (where ever the hell that is) please stay there and be happy
*I understand perfectly well...all the world's streets ( not ours) will be safer when the atrocities and the aggression of the western powers and the Zionist controlled governments in your so called "great free west" stop and be really civilized, free human societies.
And there you go again with those fantasy guys "zionists". lets look into some facts, all major wars since 1900 moslims has been involved, (Ottoman Empire WW1, allied with the nazist under WW2) and are involved in all terror attacks since 1960, and you question why the west at times comes down their to kick butt?
*This is a fact?? Based on what?? On you deep study of Islamic history and its principles? For your information... the FACT is that Mohammed was a Sheppard , turned merchant . He brought a message and defended it against people who attacked him. He tried to spread the word of God which calls for equality, justice, and believe it or not... PEACE!!... Please do not talk about things you don't know... you will only embarrass yourself and show your ignorance by stating such statements.
Ok so either we believe the western scholars that teach that he was a robber king and killed people, or we believe you and he was a peaceful man. Of course if that is the case, the entire arab world must have read the holy scripturs backwards and upside down.
*you read the Koran upside down... what you mentioned does not exist... the youngest of his wives was "aisha" , and she had hit puberty way before they got married her.... and generally women in Arabia mature much earlier than in the west due to local climatic differences.
hehhe ok, so in your idea greenlandish women are mature when they are 57? i cant even begin to explain how stupid that sounds.
*please go research and read some real information... don't believe anything the media says
Agreed why dont you do the same?
*our religion CONDEMS terrorisim.
With rewarding people that kill them self? why has NO official Moslem entity stood up and condemed? why do they always say "we think this is bad, but.." No more but's its time to choose side terror or no terror. that cant be so hard.. or can it??
*and is calls for anything but brainwashing... it is based on justice, equality, protection of human values and valuable
Which is why 80 % of the Moslem population is living by the scraps from europe's and US tables, and people are still being beheaded, stoned to dead, or gang raped.
*it doesn't belittle women... on the contrary
Which is why a women has no voting rights, no right to divorce, no right to show her self in makeup or western clothes (if she so desires) not allowed to drive a car, not allowed outside with being covered. yes truely the essence of free women.
*it also RESPECTS and ACKNOWLEDGES christianity and Jewidisim. Please don't mix up COUNTRIES traditions (indonisia, india... etc) with muslim rules... this is a common mistakes.
Dont worry i wont, btw. dont mix up countries you DONT own either.. India is NOT muslim, its hindu.
And yes in Indonesia religion is free, but in Iran, Irak and other muslim countries its not.
*There is a major difference between criticizing and OFFENDING other
So true, calling Islam terror supporting is criticizing, however if i said that You are a the sad product of a donkey and a goat i would be offending you.
*Religions are personal beliefs... they are private. and should not be tampered with
I agree Islam should stay out of the western world and christianity should stay out of arab nations.
*if it was just criticism for the sake of a joke we wouldn't mind that much
And it was, it was based on an article about freedom of speech.
*what pisses us off is that what was put in your paper was evil, untrue and gave people the impression that the Muslim religion called for terrorism which is totally the opposite..
Mhhh dont really see any proof that Islam dont support terrorism.
Let me ask you a question to answer your's: when was the last time you read that christian, buddists, hindu's or asa-true and so on, started suicide bombings or other terror activities (and NO Israel are not committing terror since they do not actually target civilians with intend, either does the western allies in Iraq)?? can it be not since the 60's??
*Educated people might know that but the majority of masses will form the idea that this is the religion of terrorism in their heads.
Which it to some extend is, or at least some part of it is like Wahabism.
*In fact this is full hipocracy because this claimed "freedom of press" is not practiced when it comes to zionests....
True we dont write about things that happened 60 years ago, neither do we write about fantasies.
*You totally missed the point... !I meant that in the WEST freedom of press isn't practiced as freely as you think.
Which of course you (living in a military dictatorship) knows all about.
*but i will level with you... give me proof that you have printed the claimed articles often... and about the rubbish of mixing you up with Germany... tell me the truth.. Can anybody in Denmark give a lecture or a print about what really happened at the so called holocaust you think you know?? I have tried that and have been called anti Semitic (stereotype defense) and was forbidden from saying anymore...
Well thats because the thing you think "really" happened in holocaust (being one of the bastards that was allied to them) is a bit off the board. your reality of the holocaust is as little as your respect of democracy. So yes your arab nazi beliefs would be considered Anti-semitic and not welcome.
*well we did turn the page and move on
Well at least you turned the page and went on a rampage.
*but the offense is worth mentioning as to clear up the wrong image you gave about us and to show that its nobody's right to offend others. (is this civilized enough for you?)
Have you ever hear the expression dont throw with stone if you live in a glass house? when did the muslim world get global autority over what other counties print and write?
*And as for the growing up part... we are not the ones printing offensive CARTOONS for a laugh.
And we are not the ones burning down building and almost starting a war over this.
> Honest Man: if it was just criticism for the sake of a joke we wouldn't mind that much
If was no joke. Danish people are (literally) scared to death because many Muslim immigrants are extremely violent
You can't have a democratic society when violent thugs are making their own laws.
> Honest Man: what pisses us off is that what was put in your paper was evil, untrue and gave people the impression that the Muslim religion called for terrorism which is totally the opposite..
Allow me to respectfully quote a brave Muslim, Mr. Jihad Momani, "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?".
> Honest Man: give me proof that you have printed the claimed articles often...
We don't have articles about Zionists plots that only exist in your imagination, but I'll mention three incidents that may surprise you.
1) In Norway, Mullah Krekar, has declared war against Norway (link) saying "The war has begun, [. . .] It does not matter if the governments of Norway and Denmark apologize, the war is on.”
Let me repeat. A refugee who has lived in Norway for 15 years under Norwegian protection has declared war on Norway, and nothing can be done. Read the article and weep.
2) A similar thing happened in Denmark, when a prisoner was released from the Guantanamo base, after which the Danish Taliban warrior declared a war against our Prime Minister and our Foreign Minister.
Again nothing was ever done. link
3) On a more positive note: Last summer (2004) at Denmark's largest rock festival they build a copy of the new wall between Israel and Palestine. The copy was 5 meter broad and 8 meter tall, and guests at the festival were urged to write their names to show resistance against the wall being build in Israel: article with images
> Honest Man: and about the rubbish of mixing you up with Germany...
Germany have laws against the Holocaust-lie - Denmark doesn't
> Honest Man: tell me the truth.. Can anybody in Denmark give a lecture or a print about what really happened at the so called holocaust you think you know?? I have tried that and have been called anti Semitic (stereotype defense) and was forbidden from saying anymore...
I think you are confusing two concepts: The right to free speech and the right to a platform.
If you make your own newspaper, homepage or university, you'll have a platform.
Let me warn you though: Denmark has laws against racism, blasphemy, slander and inciting to crime.
> *****well we did turn the page and move on..
Good. That was four months ago. Did you also cancel your subscription to JyllandsPosten?
So why are people still torching the embassies in Damascus and Beirut?
If you're interested in knowing "the truth" about Denmark and Palestine, you could ask Danish Palestinian Friendship Association.
I hope they'll agree with what I said. ;-)
Besides, can't they let God be the judge? Why must blasphemers be beaten? Isn't it enough that they go to hell when they die?
> Thank you Saint Peter, my friend!
sorry folks, there is no god, whichever side of the debate you are on.
it is interesting if the 3 pictures were added, as that would suggest deliberate incitement, but at the end of the day, it doesnt matter. your god doesn't exist. their god doesnt exist. nothing to see here, move along
I appreciate wut you have said regarding the points raised about palestine. It shows that you are a highly civilized person.
but I have some comments:
"If was no joke. Danish people are (literally) scared to death because many Muslim immigrants are extremely violent
You can't have a democratic society when violent thugs are making their own laws."
all the muslim populations living denmark are considered DANISH CITIZENS as other citizens living in DENMRAK. you have violent people from other religions and they should all be subjected to the danish law regardless of their religion. right??
"Allow me to respectfully quote a brave Muslim, Mr. Jihad Momani, "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"."
I agree with Mr. Jihad, but BOTH should be condemned. Offending people in their beliefs by publishing offending caricatures is damaging to the people of the whole islamic nation , and their feelings while the action of blowing up civilians will be damaging also and will be condemned by the whole nation and all the world. Ofcourse the damage caused by the blowup is much greater than these caricatures but both actions are the nonetheless harmful and condemned.
"We don't have articles about Zionists plots that only exist in your imagination, but I'll mention three incidents that may surprise you."
Again zionesm does not exist in my imagination... and its my right "free press" to say that Israel is the child of the zionism movement which has started 300 years ago.. its practices and atrocties and war crimes comitted have not found their way into your free press... and i would happily oblige by sending hyperlinks to many websites that would support my point.
"3) On a more positive note: Last summer (2004) at Denmark's largest rock festival they build a copy of the new wall between Israel and Palestine. The copy was 5 meter broad and 8 meter tall, and guests at the festival were urged to write their names to show resistance against the wall being build in "
well I didn't know that, and its absoulety great that some Danish people think this way, but my point is that this wall is resting on PALASTINIAN CONFISCATED LAND and it prevents the palestinian people from seeing their family and relatives who have been cut to 2 sides by this wall and Israel has illlegaly built this wall as an occupation action on the palastinian land as demonstrated of the decision of the international justic court in lahigh (holland) where it clearly stated in its decision about the disputed wall that it is illlegal and its an act of AGGRESSION.
ARE YOU ON THE PAY ROLL OF THE MOSAD??
sorry to tell you that you don't know the
real aims and real goals of zionesm, in addition to the creation of the so-called Isreal. May we ask you how was Isreal to be created and where?? All the information you mentioned is FALSE and defies history majorly and the real facts.
Palestine was NOT owned by England. It was under british mandate as a part of the british colonial empire. It was FULLY ENHABITED by the palestinian people who had many cities and villages with a total active community. The Jewish agency started sending ill-legal immegrants to palestine to enhibit it. So the arabs didn't try to take the LAND FOR THEMSELVES, IT WAS ALREADY THEIRS. We may have to remind you that when the crusades tried to take jerusalem whom were they fighting?? can you remember?? try watching the movie "kingdom of heaven". The zionest immigrants supported by the colonial west raged a war to take the land from its rightful owners. That wasn't a CIVIL WAR, it was an OCCUPATIONAL / COLONIAL WAR with jewish terrorists (HAGANA/ SHTERN..ETC.) who introduced acts of terrorisim in the whole middleeast area which were unkown before. Examples :(blowing kind david's hotel in Jerusalem/ assisinating and killing Count Bernadot the representative of the UN to the area) is this all an illusion or fantasy in my mind or is it simply facts?? (THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION)
As for nowadays, not years before, the Israeli forces are occupational forces sitting on palestinian soil practicing all types of TERRORIST acts practiced on CIVILIANS and COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENTS ON THE WHOLE POPULATION OF PALESTINE. EXAMPLE : THE ATTACK ON THE CIVILIAN REFUGEE CAMP IN THE CITY OF GENIN, DESTROYING ALL THE HOUSES AND KILLING MANY OF ITS CIVILIAN POPLUATION, THE UN RECOGNIZED THIS AS AN ACT OF AGGRESSION AND OCCUPATION ATROCITY.
FYI, Israel airraids and bombing of palestinian cities results in killing civilians mainly children and women. The israeli troops practices collective punishment against CIVILIANS only. The prevent children from attending school, prevent sick and injured civilians from reaching hospitals by preventing the ambulances from reaching them. Many civilian palestinians died on the ground and couldn't reach hospitals to be treated there.
check out the story of "MOHAMED DURRA". and others.
I reapet fully... our RELIGION condems TERRORISIM... but it can't retain people from defending themselves agains occupation and state terrorisim. and have you heard the saying " an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"?? So if u wish to call the people who defend themselves as terrorist i'm dam well intrested what you call the occupation forces and their terrorist actions.
80% of the moslem population is living on the scraps??? well 100 % of the WESTERN WORLD IS LIVING ON THE STOLEN OIL FROM THE ARAB AND MOSLEM COUNTRIES. No people are beheaded under any civil laws in arab countires nor stoned nor gang raped. Actually these are FANTASIES created by your so called free press.
"Well thats because the thing you think "really" happened in holocaust (being one of the bastards that was allied to them) is a bit off the board. your reality of the holocaust is as little as your respect of democracy. So yes your arab nazi beliefs would be considered Anti-semitic and not welcome."
answering this way clearly supports my point that you don't have free press as called and you have double/triple standards. even if you think its bullshit, i should have the right to say my opinion not to mention real historical facts which were blown and twisted and exaggerated by the zionest movement to use its action and for its interest and its evil goals. Btw the zionest movements hasn't ENDED... it started 300 years ago and had many goals which you should research and study to really understand what is that movement and what is its aims. WE ARE NOT NAZIS, THIS IS THE STEREOTYPE USED BY THE MERE ZIONISTS THEMSELVES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM STATING THE REAL FACTS AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SITUATION. YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY ITS WELCOME OR NOT WELCOME... ARE YOU THE THE REPRESENTITVE OF THE DANISH PEOPLE?? people should be give a chance to hear all sides and facts...
AND YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONES BURNING BUILDINGS, BUT YOU WERE THE ONES WHO SET THE SMOKE AND STARTED OFFENDING PEOPLE'S BELIEF... GROW UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND RESPECT ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
That is something lacking in Muslim countries. Tyrants rulers who have ruled the countries for centuries has imposed rules for their own gain. Many of the things that the extremist claim or practised are not found in our holy Koran. Things are manipulated for their gain. We the small players and yet the majority are been suppressed. We had to accept the ideas of follow or die. There is no choice or freedom. We envy the Westerners. The freedom they have. We love USA president, Mr. Bush. To many, he is a Hero. The media never ask us how we feel. They only publish the minority outspoken fanatics. These extremists doesn't voice the majority. We hope Mr. Bush will bring freedom to our country like he is doing to Iraq. We women have no rights. Even now I had to ask my friend to pose my opinion fear someone might find out that I was writing this. We live in fear. Sometimes, no all the times we had to live by the minority influential ideas than our own. We are hiding in the name of religion. There is no freedom in middle east.
do you have an explanation as to why there is rioting now when these were published 4 months ago?
I'll save you some trouble. The Saudi Arabian government is instigating this to throw off attention from the fact that 351 people died in a stampede on their way to Mecca during their Haj. The main reason they died (and this has happened for many years) is because of S.A's incompetence. So the government controlled papers, rather than focus on this incident decided to drag back this story (which honest to pete, I saw maybe 3 images that are possibly offensive, but many of them were not at all offensive) to take the heat off of them. The Muslim world (which I know is actually all over the world) is being manipulated by the same people who conspired with Bush and brought us 9/11. If anyone is an enemy of peace, it's the Saudi royal family. I hope that people will calm down and stop getting agitated over a piece of paper! Images of Mahamoud have been made since Islam began, and there's not real rule about it in the Koran, merely a rule that Idolatry was a sin. The people who really are idolaters, the Christians and in particular, the Catholics, also have a rule against idolatry. They have images of Jesus, and of the crucifixion, which I personally find offensive, all over the place!
Here's the Saudi link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/5/13149/60748
And to that anonymous woman from a middle eastern country somewhere...
You said: "We hope Mr. Bush will bring freedom to our country like he is doing to Iraq. We women have no rights. Even now I had to ask my friend to pose my opinion fear someone might find out that I was writing this. We live in fear."
I don't know what planet you are living on my friend, but for Bush, bringing freedom to Iraq = killing innocent Iraqis. I don't think it's working very well as a democracy either. Iraq is a disaster. Iraq is in ruins. Bush is a war criminal and now he is violating our constitution. Don't wish him upon yourself. He's created rape rooms in Iraq, as well, and has directed that innocent people be tortured. Sometimes children are tortured or raped in front of their parents, or
women are raped in front of their husbands. This is not a man who is granting "The Freedom". Bush is a horrifying example of what can happen in a democracy when they can fix the elections. Everything he has done in his own country, every single thing, has hurt the people of America. He is illegally spying on us, he is directing that "detention camps" be built, he is "disappearing " people. In fact he's doing a lot of what the Saudi royal family does! And they are buddies. Hmmmm.
As to religion, it's gonna be the death of all of us. The thing that really is stupid though is that all three of the major monotheistic religions worship the same mythical God! And they can't get along. All of them need to GROW UP.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
- Denis Diderot
I was looking at one of the cartoons and it shows Mohammed saying to a group of female muslims suicide bombers:
"STOP,STOP WE RAN OUT OF VIRGINS"!!!
I know that Jordan and Egypt are more moderate than most middleeastern countries which of course also explains your views i guess. And yes i know that this could have been prevented, but it was the iman's that went to the arab nations and spread these lies, Jyllandsposten didnt start sending their newspaper to the middleeast. And i agree with you about respecting the law of the countries, in Denmark this is not illegal (no matter how upsetting that is to the arab nations) and in the middleeast having the church dictating politics is allowed (thats not allowed in Denmark), follow the countries laws and the laws based in the geneva convention (which do NOT allow attacks by soldiers or Milita on diplomatic or Red Cross/Red Cresent/Red Diamond buildings, cars or personnel). Geneva Convention is IMHO above the laws of a country, since they cover the basis of diplomacy and aid, and the basic treatment of Prisoners, civilians and other non combatants.
But i agree that people should stick to their rights, but Arab rights don't extend to Denmark, just as danish rights dont extend to jordan i guess.
To Honest: Hehehehe no im not on the payrole of Mossad (like to be though, heard they pay good :o) )
*sorry to tell you that you don't know the real aims and real goals of zionesm, in addition to the creation of the so-called Isreal. May we ask you how was Isreal to be created and where??
In 1947, following increasing levels of violence by militant groups together with unsuccessful efforts to reconcile the Jewish and Arab populations, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate. The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, Jewish and Arab, giving about half the land area to each state. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.
Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly (on November 29, 1947), the Arab leadership rejected the plan and launched a guerilla war that included attacks on Jewish civilians. The Irgun Tsvai Leumi retaliated with attacks on Arabs, including Arab civilians.
On May 14, 1948, before the expiry of the British Mandate of Palestine at midnight of May 15, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.
And that explains that question i think.
*All the information you mentioned is FALSE and defies history majorly and the real facts.
It might defy your version of history but thats ok, as long as it fit to the history books of people that actually knows what they talk about.
*Palestine was NOT owned by England. It was under british mandate as a part of the british colonial empire.
Being a british colony or owned by Britan is the same thing.
*It was FULLY ENHABITED by the palestinian people who had many cities and villages with a total active community.
But of course it was, well some jews were living there and probably some british colonial masters but otherwise of course it was mostly arabs.
*The Jewish agency started sending ill-legal immegrants to palestine to enhibit it.
There was no Jewish agency that did anything, if you refer to Aliyah (1-3) it was immigrations not a organisation.
*So the arabs didn't try to take the LAND FOR THEMSELVES, IT WAS ALREADY THEIRS. We may have to remind you that when the crusades tried to take jerusalem whom were they fighting?? can you remember?? try watching the movie "kingdom of heaven".
Unlike you i dont base my knowledge on popular movies, but yes i have studied the crusades, but that dont change to fact that it has been owned by many people, first jews (hence the name Judea), then egyptians, Moors, Greek, Romans, christians, arabs and english.
So while there might have been a major arab population it still was British.
the zionist history i agree with a since it was a rhetorical question i will leave it at that.
As for nowadays, not years before, the Israeli forces are occupational forces sitting on palestinian soil practicing all types of TERRORIST acts practiced on CIVILIANS and COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENTS ON THE WHOLE POPULATION OF PALESTINE. EXAMPLE : THE ATTACK ON THE CIVILIAN REFUGEE CAMP IN THE CITY OF GENIN, DESTROYING ALL THE HOUSES AND KILLING MANY OF ITS CIVILIAN POPLUATION, THE UN RECOGNIZED THIS AS AN ACT OF AGGRESSION AND OCCUPATION ATROCITY.
Ohh you indeed hit the nail on that, it was a act of aggression and occupation NOT terrorism. see there actually is a difference.
And as i stated before, Israel does not commit terrorism, while their tactics can be critized at times, that does not mean that it is terrorism. check a dictonary for the meaning of this word please.
*FYI, Israel airraids and bombing of palestinian cities results in killing civilians mainly children and women. The israeli troops practices collective punishment against CIVILIANS only. The prevent children from attending school, prevent sick and injured civilians from reaching hospitals by preventing the ambulances from reaching them. Many civilian palestinians died on the ground and couldn't reach hospitals to be treated there.
check out the story of "MOHAMED DURRA". and others.
Bulls*** if Israel used tactics as you describe they wouldnt follow the rules of war and be hauled before the warcrimes tribunale. the reason most countries in the west support Israel is at they stay on and just up to the line between rules of war and terrorism. Hamas and the other cells have crossed that line long ago. Of course civilians get hit (that is called collatial damage) and this is unlucky but to be expected in a war. the goal is to minimize the casualties not target them like suicide bombers do.
*I reapet fully... our RELIGION condems TERRORISIM... but it can't retain people from defending themselves agains occupation and state terrorisim. and have you heard the saying " an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"?? So if u wish to call the people who defend themselves as terrorist i'm dam well intrested what you call the occupation forces and their terrorist actions.
Ok you like eye for an eye, well maybe the western countries should take and burn all the arab diplomatic buildings and religious buildings in the western world as you do in the middleeast. What do you think the reaction would be? would you all just say well ok i guess we deserved that?
And to the people defending them self. A resistance operative target materiel, production, logistic and soldiers. they NEVER target civilians!! get that into your thick head!
*80% of the moslem population is living on the scraps??? well 100 % of the WESTERN WORLD IS LIVING ON THE STOLEN OIL FROM THE ARAB AND MOSLEM COUNTRIES. No people are beheaded under any civil laws in arab countires nor stoned nor gang raped. Actually these are FANTASIES created by your so called free press.
No the oil that the west use is brought either through OPEC or with oil for food programs. however i dont really think that the muslem countries in Africa has that much oil, people are starving to dead down there while the oil sultans are sitting getting fat in the middleeast, how about helping your brother people?
So the Sharia laws are a lie are they, they are just fantasies made up by "My?" free press. mmhh intresting, btw. have i ever in any context giving indications that i live in Denmark, Europe or even in any western country?
*WE ARE NOT NAZIS, THIS IS THE STEREOTYPE USED BY THE MERE ZIONISTS THEMSELVES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM STATING THE REAL FACTS AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SITUATION. YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY ITS WELCOME OR NOT WELCOME
So your never hear about 13th Waffen SS Handschar? Muslims fighting on the nazi side, based in Jygoslavia and responsible in anti-partisan duties and routing out unwanted to be sent to gas chambers (mainly gypsies), created by the SS and Amin al-Husseini, The division had a Muslim Imam for each battalion and a Mullah for each regiment. It was the largest of the Muslim oriented divisions (21,065 men).
*ARE YOU THE THE REPRESENTITVE OF THE DANISH PEOPLE?? people should be give a chance to hear all sides and facts...
Actually i have never stated that i either live or represent danish, im sure the Vikings can speak for them self. and if you think Mohammed is angry about the cartoons, just wait until to you see the anger from Tor when you mess with his people ;)
*AND YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONES BURNING BUILDINGS, BUT YOU WERE THE ONES WHO SET THE SMOKE AND STARTED OFFENDING PEOPLE'S BELIEF... GROW UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND RESPECT ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
And i could say the same to you. get a life, stop taking everything to damned serious and try to think for yourself, stop stuffing Islam down over the world, we dont believe in your god, we dont want to believe in your god, we dont care about your god, or his rules or his ideas. we have had our revolt against too powerful churches and dictators, maybe its about time you do the same.
I think it is really neat to see everyone's opinion on such a complex situation. Some things that people said absolutely make me cringe though... and I am astonished that people can actually say these things in good conscience. Proud of their words no less... how strange.
Religion is very strange, how we can all get so fundamental attached to the archaic ways of life. I feel like religion caters to making sense of the world for the time period that it is being developed.
Personally, I was raised as a Christian, however, in my youth I developed independence from it. But in no way do I hate religion. It certainly can be frustrating at times though.
Religion throughout our history has been very crucial to our development as a species. To say that Christianity or Islam has been around for 2000 years is really not that significant. That is as though to say that Judaism is more important because it has been around far longer. The point is that for specific societies, it has been necessary to have different rules to govern a people.
As civilization has advanced, we are constantly seeing a division between the spiritual leadership, and the government. Although this is not always a linear process, and we still see hiccups from the past, looking back throughout our history this is very clear. In time, this will become more apparent in the Arabian world as well. Turkey is a great example of this, and I am sure will continue to see development in the future.
I think Arab viewpoints in this thread, particularly "Honest Person" are not too distant from the truth. Western media (including where I am from), are very biased, and certainly does not give an accurate portrayal about what is really happening around the world. The main idea is give an insufficient amount of information about an event so that people don't begin to question why things like this are going on.
Media companies make their profit strictly from advertising products. What kind of corporation is going to want to advertise on news station that is saying, "Due to our excessive use of energy, we must invade Iraq to supply the oil we need for our SUVs."
Sales would drop.
This of course leads to media stations broadcasting the most pro-consumeristic views, such that the viewers never question the impacts of the products that they are buying. That is western media.
However, I don't want to criticize only western media. Clearly totalitarian media is not much better. But what it really comes down to, is that we are being fed information that is biased one way or the other. The key has to be reading between the lines.
The majority of our civilizations and cultural heritage holds vast periods of time where women did not have rights. In most countries, women recieved the right to vote only within the last 100 years. The USA didn't allow women to vote until 1920, not to mention land rights, divorce rights, etc.
And yet, I've read so many "holier than thou" posts about how Arab women have no rights, as though it is something that has been exclusive to their religion.
Christianity, and Judaism have also both been extremely violent in their histories. Take for example the Spanish Inquistition, or the Crusades in general.
And we even discredit or forget the great achievements of the Arabs in the past... further development of math and science while Europe was in the midst of their dark ages. But who ever thinks of Al'Jabr when they are learning math?
Midevil crucades sanctioned by the papacy, with aims to overtake Jerusalem is certianly the Zionism that we have been refering to here. This of course is still happening within political ideals, and I am with "Honest Person" when he says zionism is still going on to this day. Perhaps more subtle, but fundamental christians believe that the Jews must rebuild a temple in Jerusalem before Christ will return. So there is still some religious Zionism going on, let alone the fight politically.
For myself, I am not sure if there is a god, and if there is... which religion is right? I don't know the answer to this.
What I do know, is that the more you rip someone off, the more resent is going to develop. Not a good thing when nuclear programs are popping up all over the map.
Maybe we should try to be a little less at each others throats, and not further taunt each other on with childish name calling.
Again, this is a simplistic view of what is going on, and to be honest, I truly believe that the Arab people have a pretty good reason to be upset. Maybe not over these cartoons, but rather the perpetuation of Arabaphobia. And yet, it is the picture that Muslimism is painting in the western world. Suicide bombing is very radical, courageous, and extremely terrifying. Due to little exposure of Islam in the western world, Terrorism is the image that is being painted by these radicals.
And that is clearly what those cartoons depicted. I don't think that they were suggesting that every Islamic person is a terrorist, but rather that is the mosiac that is being created with every new suicidal bombing.
We need to think about everything. Imagine what it must be like in the other persons shoes. This is cliche to say, but it is so important. There isn't evil lurking... it is just the actions of a desperate voice.
Maybe we should listen to it.
I appreciate your thoughtful and calming post. Would that more voices like you were in this blog!
And you are right, Zionism is still alive and well, and I think we can see that in Paul Wolfowitz and other members of PNAC who are also extremists in their Judaism, as well as the coordinating between those people and those on the Christian far right. I think a few people here need to realize that the ideology of Zionism is alive and well...It didn't "disappear" when Israel becamse a nation.
That being said, most Jews are not Zionists, and I know many Jews who are as appalled by Zionism, as I am appalled by the KKK. Extremism is in every contingent in our society, in almost every religion, in almost every nation. Fundamentalism is probably the biggest danger to peace and a sane world that exists in the world, whether that be a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Muslim, or a someone whose who's ideology makes them a Fascist (like Bush).
Fundamentalists, at their core, cannot critically think and must rely on an authority to tell them what to believe and how to think. Their world view is based on fear, and they fear anything different from themselves. If you wanna see scary, type in your google search "dominionists". These folks are the American taliban. They believe in executing anyone that doesn't adhere to their point of view, want to re-instate slavery, want to do away with public education, want to make all women submissive to men, and take away their ability to work, and want to place judicial power in the hands of ministers and clerics. oh, and anyone that isn't white and anglo? they want to enslave them. These people have an agenda and they are key elements in the base that support the Bush campaign.
In the US, they are really people to watch, especially now that we have a far right influence on the Supreme Court.
I pray, and I mean that metaphorically, because the only deity I acknowledge is Gaia, the planet that is, and the collective divinity that we all are, that the light will be cast on the Saudi government who is instigating this chaos through their lies and their planted photos. Let the Muslim world see who their real enemy is here, and it's not Denmark. It's the Saudi Arabian royal family, and it's their government. Considering how they treat their own people, and the fundamentalist Wahabaism they promote, which encourages such things as suicide bombings, which only gains those who do, the enmity of the world, and fear from those who are naive to the machinations of those in power. And I include Bush in that cabal.
Please people protest all you like, but know who your enemy is and stop the violence!
Fundamentalists don't have an "ideology" that really adheres to their original religion. All Fundamentalists believe anything different is to be feared and any criticism is to be reacted to with violence or with an authoritarian iron clad boot. Fundamentalists are brainwashed ideologues who NEVER follow the original tenets of their original religion, instead they focus on the superstitious and hateful tenets of whatever their religion is and then claims those are the true tenets of that religion, and this is true across the board.
That being said, the fundamentalists are the ones reacting and setting fires, not the majority of Muslims. A majority of Muslims may be angry over a moderate issue that has been egged on by the Saudi government to cover their asses for the deaths of so many on the Haj, but most will not be inflamed to violence unless pressed against the wall by a "crusade" by the west.
Right now it is time to COOL temperatures, not incense them. Don't add to the hate. Chill out.
I'm danish - And I am truly sorry for the distress thise drawings cost.
Here is a link to the original pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
I hope you find it in your hearts to forgive, even the people that distribute the three pictures above - I am a lawfull GOD-loving man, whom is sorry for the intolerant extremistic people - both ours and yours - the three above pictures are offensive and they have never beein publiched in any danish paper.
I truthly hope you will understand that most danes is NOT like that, we have children, jobs and wifes like any other good men - and dispice violence.
I pray that nobody will get hurt on either side in this dispute.
In the love of GOD - A distressed Dane.
You are a very SICK man and so is your culture!
I got as far as your explanation about who aisha was - mohameds child bride. I stopped reading and disregarded everything else you had said as total rubbish! PERVERTS DON'T DESERVE ANY UNDERSTANDING FROM ANYONE. ANYBODY, ANYWHERE that can condone sex with a child is the sickest most vile person there is. INCLUDING MOHAMED!
Even if it is 'thought' that arabian women mature quicker in body, THERE IS NO WAY THEY HAVE MATURED BRAINS AND MINDS TO COPE WITH WHAT IS BEING DONE TO THEM AND THE WAY THEY ARE USED BY SELFISH, EGOTISTIC PIGS! Especially as women are treated like second class citizens and education is not freely available to them. They have to take what is given to them by men and that is that. My sister lives in saudi - so i know!
And anyway, the average age of puberty in the west is 12 years old. If you are saying that arabian women mature quicker, you are saying that she was younger than 12!!!! That is so disgusting to think that you muslims think that's ok. YOU ARE SICK AND EVEN SICKER TO SPEAK PROUDLY OF IT! YOU ARE ALL PERVERTED PEDOPHILES! NOT ONE OF YOU CAN PROBALY DENY IT EITHER!
You make out that you dont drink alcahol but I have first hand experience of Muslim brothers heading in to town for a night on the beer and to go whoring. Typical of the dual standards of the muslim faith! You make out that we in the west dont respect women. You deface any advertising hoarding that show a partially clad woman. Why?? Because you dont know how to control yourselves! Not because its disrespectful! Your males(I wont use the word 'men' because you are not worthy of the word!) make your own women walk behind you. Why? because you believe they are inferior! Great human rights there!
And as for the nation of Islam......It does not exsist! The Turks have dammed one of the few rivers that runs through the middle east depriving the next nation down stream of water! That country is also a Muslim country! Very thoughtful of them! Very considerate! Shia murder Sunni and vice versa.
You are all vermin of the very worst kind. I sincerely believe that the time is approaching when the rest of the world have simply had enough of your filthy ways. You will pay with your lives. I hope I am around to see it happen.
Right, but often immigrants form a society within the society, where nobody co-operates with the police.
The Danish no-go areas are not nearly as bad as the ones in France, but we have areas where the police won't come before they have packed at least 8 policemen into their van.
And even when the criminal has been arrested - a few years in prison with television, plat-station, gym etc. etc., is easy compared to a victim that may be crippled for life.
To clarify: We have had some violent episodes, but only one of them was related to religion. The rest (and worst) are violent thugs who are reacting to what a Dane would consider a trifle.
> Honest man: well I didn't know that, and its absoulety great that some Danish people think this way,
Many Danes have a positive attitude towards Palestine - and many Danes are positive towards Israel.
I have to tell you, that Danish Jews (like Victor Borge) are model citizens.
> Honest man: but my point is that this wall is resting on PALASTINIAN CONFISCATED LAND
Yes, sorry, it was a mistake to write Israel.
Anyway, if you have a story to tell (like that of Folke Bernadotte) there's nobody stopping you from going to the top is this page and click "Get your own Blog". ;)
There's free speech on the Internet, but don't use the word "Zionist" - it means too many different things to too many people.
They are not a race. They are just another sick religion and as I am a citizen of a free thinking and free speaking society I should have the freedom to dislike (or hate) who ever I want to. I hate murderers. I hate gypsies. I hate layabouts. I hate muslims!
The muslim demonstrators have called for violence and murder I think 'we'(meaning absolutely anyone who is not a muslim)should oblige! Lets..... do unto others as others would do unto us.
i think u nonmuslims are more terror, without calling u u come and destroy a whole country full of innocents and calim that u are in favor of human rights....shame on u ..but u have to know that evil never keeps alive it has one day disappear.
u steelers of our oil....thiefs not more not less with out our oil u cant live we do a great favor for u all europeans and americans u have to keep praying day and night that we supply u with oil....
I my self have no religious beliefs, neither does my wife. And we aim to not avoid an education of the religions of the world but to teach our child to be mindful of what each religion stands for and how beleivers of each religion behave towards others. Non capatalists may believe money is the route of all evil. This is not true and has probably never has been true although it can bring people to do some fairly hoirrible things. At this point in time no matter what side you think you are on it is becoming more and more apparent that religion is the route of all evil. Infact looking back in time there have only been a few occasions when religion has not been the primary reason for men killing other men, women and children.
I plead to everyone. Stop this nonsense, get a sense of humour, stop being so sensitive, stop being so racist and prejudice and above all get along. It's not hard. I don't hate anyone and never have. I dont care what you think, believe, eat, shit, or when, where or which direction you choose to pray. I will give you leave for your own requirements and in return I ask you do the same for me and my family.
Some people in here attacks islam other the danes some one even dispites christians but the point still remains.
12 drawings (of a man that no one have seen) so how do they know its him?
1 of the drawings doesnt even show a man but "something" well criticims towards islam isnt allowed either?
about the pigs and why its forbidden to eat them well its a writen fact from before islam was even invented people who ate pigs got sick and died thats why Judes doen eat pigs either. in the west we didnt have this propblem back then mainly due to the weather condition... it rains here (that was sarcasm kill me).
Does the name iskandere say anything to you ? if it does then explain to me what the hell Alexander the great hade to do with islam? hes freaking greek, well was hes dead now.
But you see now what happend, to make a point that there are stuff in the koran that dont add up I forgott the real issue, 12 pictures!
And I have seen the news..... 12 drawings..... I repeat 12 DRAWINGS!!! nothing any one can say or do will in any way give those people the right to put any one else in danger due to 12 DRAWINGS!!! and why does people in Iran react to what 12 drawings in denmark say or do? because there religion?!?!
The main question is (so all of you brain dead people might wake up and realise this) who told them and why did they do this?!?
It hase nothing what so ever to do with these 12 drawings, its a political gambling that was set inmotion by some one somewere to gain something,
and for you that think that a 40 year old women in iraq at this moment would get to an internet cafe to look up what the danish papers print and write about islam, when she propably is trying to stay alive.... well to you I can say nothing you are of course right in what ever you say.
So one more time, this hase nothing to do with Denmark the EU or any stupid suicide bomber in the US that will freak out due to 12 DRAWINGS!!
It hase only to due to the fact that when this is over, alot of people, politicians will have gained alot of power, and you will se in denmark a new group of politicians. And no one will remember the 12 drawings.
'The Muslim world (which I know is actually all over the world) is being manipulated by the same people who conspired with Bush and brought us 9/11.'
Actually, the terrorists were already in the country during the Clinton administration and 9/11 was planned during the last half of the Clinton administration. I seriously doubt Bush could have conspired with anyone before he even was elected as President!
'They have images of Jesus, and of the crucifixion, which I personally find offensive, all over the place!'
Seriously, no one really cares what you do or do not find offensive, especially since you belong to neither sect.
'I don't know what planet you are living on my friend, but for Bush, bringing freedom to Iraq = killing innocent Iraqis.'
You have any proof of this? Last time I checked, the U.S. military has specific rules of engagement - they cannot fire unless being fired upon. That tosses the theory of "innocent Iraqis" out the window.
'I don't think it's working very well as a democracy either.'
Millions of purple ink-stained fingers would disagree with you. It's even brought the Sunnis to the elections instead of resorting to terrorism or boycotts.
'Iraq is a disaster.'
Did Dan Rather tell you that? My brother is a Marine who returned from Iraq. He was actually there. He tells a completely different story. So, who should I believe? You, who has never been there, or a Marine who put his life on the line and was?
'Iraq is in ruins.'
Let's see the pix you took while you were there to prove it.
'Bush is a war criminal and now he is violating our constitution.'
Again, prove it. You made the claim, now back it up.
'Don't wish him upon yourself.'
I wish we could re-elect him for a third term.
'He's created rape rooms in Iraq, as well, and has directed that innocent people be tortured.'
You are confused. Saddam had rape rooms. And loud music is not "torture". Putting up with uneducated ranting liberals, now that is torture!
'Sometimes children are tortured or raped in front of their parents, or women are raped in front of their husbands.'
Wow, what world do you live in, sparky? None of that has happened under the orders of the Bush administration and you damn well know it.
'Bush is a horrifying example of what can happen in a democracy when they can fix the elections.'
So much for innocent until proven guilty. The guy wins the election (twice) and they start screaming it was fixed simply because they don't like the outcome. You want to see an example of a fixed election, you should read up on the Washington state gubentorial election of 2004. The Democrats totally fixed that election. The idea that vote counters from the Democrat party should be allowed to take ballots home with them ought to raise red flags.
'Everything he has done in his own country, every single thing, has hurt the people of America.'
Which part exactly? The low unemployment rate? The tax cuts? The strong economy? (stronger than the Clinton administration). The fact more minorities are achieving positions of power, wealth and home ownership than any previous administration? Yeah, since it was a Republican who brought these things and not a Democrat, I can see why you think it sucks.
'He is illegally spying on us,'
So, you admit that you have one of the few cell phones that Al Qaida has been calling from outside the country? Because the only spying that has been going on has been surgically targeted on those who possess phone numbers that were obtained from Al Qaida information sources (ie: laptops, cell phones). The Bush administation is not spying on everyone ad hoc. To even suggest it with all the evidence to the contrary indicates you are either an idiot or a liar - you choose.
'he is directing that "detention camps" be built'
You suggest we keep terrorists at the local elementary schools and hope they behave themselves on their own?
'he is "disappearing " people.'
Interesting fact - the Attny General must report to Congress every six months in regards to anything that might violate a persons civil rights in regards to the Patriot Act. Interestingly enough, the 6 times Congress has met not one single violation of civil rights has been reported. Considering there is a $10,000 penalty paid to the "victim" of said civil rights abuse, you'd think the Justice Department would have paid out at least once if you were right about what you said.
Let me repeat: to date Congress has found NO violations of anyone's civil rights.
'In fact he's doing a lot of what the Saudi royal family does!'
And yet he reports to Congress about the terrorist spying project visa vi the NSA. Seems strange to me that if Bush was doing something illegal, that he would actually report exactly what he was doing to Congress...
'All of them need to GROW UP.'
Pot, Kettle - black.
This blog is about Danish cartoons so allow me to point out that:
o Denmark does not want Iraqi oil. Denmark is a net exporter of oil. If Saddam had refused to sell oil, prices would go up, and it would have been a good thing for Denmark.
o Danish people do not hate Iraqi people - in fact before the war, most people would be hard put to tell the difference between Iraq and Iran.
o Denmark joined the forces to rid the world of a tyrant, Saddam Hussein.
I'm truly sorry if Muslim terrorists are making life hard in Iraq today, but you can't blame Bush nor Denmark for the actions of Muslim terrorists.
We are doing our best to help your government - the government that you yourself have voted for.(just in case you forgot ;-) )
I would also like to voice my disgust over the actions in Abu Ghraib. I'm also disappointed that the legal system doesn't go to the top (Rumsfield) in order to find the responsible people. This is certainly not the system Denmark wanted to fight for - but an ineffective legal system is still light years better than the old one.
Calling Bush a terrorist is stupid - and using Iraq as an excuse to burn down Danish embassies show the hypocrisy of the Islamists.
American soldiers systematically gang raping anything that walks? purposely killing civilians? Hardly (not sayng that a couple of soldiers from a platoon haven't, but US forces? right...)
American soldiers only shooting when being shot at declarations? Hardly. Only interrogation practises used in the US are used on terror suspects? Hardly (not saying that the US systematically breaks people's bones, but it is not like their hasn't been cases of dubious interegation methods/practises of he type illegal within the USA borders)
All these arguments remind me of the time when the coalition patrolled the Iraqi no fly zone (right or wrong).
EVERY TIME a bomb was dropped:
Iraqi gov't: Lots of (and only) civilians were killed. No military installation destroyed.
US gov't: Military installation targetted (didn't miss) possible one or two civilians killed.
Soo.. either the US pilots are capable of missing 100% or are capable of 100% accuracy with weapons and conditions which are not 100% accurate (thing Gulf War 1 precision, precision, precsion yet only 15% or so were guided hmm)...
Both sides claimed the halo, yet neither were right.
The USA, champions of world freedom/human rights (missing in 1939, 1940 just made 1941 (not by choice))and democracy (actually it's a republic) is a nation that is strangely quite fearful. Post 9/11 many polls showed people worried about terrorism in their schools and such (even when asked in small towns in the middle of Idaho or some such non iconic large place - forget NY) So you get the patriot law and such... Which its only accomplishment is to perpetuate the fear, coupled with frequent media reports of sucicide bombers, continues the cycle...strange for such a powereful nation isn't it? (for those in the US here's an interesting exercise, track the news.. how many are about you should fear X? (discount the sports)...(sort of like count the times western media reports on middle eastern media reporting you should hate X)
As for the Danish cartoons well..
Of all the countries in Europe that the extremists shouldn't try and blow something (no pun intended) out of proportion...
IMHO it is a case of people hearing hate rhetoric loudly over and over again until they believe it. A Danish (non gov't affiliated) cartoon equates to a burnt embassy yet an Iranian presidents call for the wholesale destruction/slaughter of a nation equates to? (are these comparable?
How many THOUSANDS of years are going to pass before humanity wakes up and stops killing each other becuase some of us happen to believe in a different god?
Read some Sam Harris, he is a lot better with words then I am. The simple point is that all of this nonsense has to fucking stop sometime, if we expect the human race to surrive. This is the only time in history where the SAME OLD SHIT is seriousally a threat to our continued existance -- thanks to weapon technology advancements.
Fucking insanity. Plain and simple. I find it so hard to beleive that people are killing each other based off two thousand year old literature. Get with the times. Think for yourself and you might be amazed to see that we don't need a god to live a good moral life and to be good to the people around us. I really don't want to die becuase of something as fucking stupid as shit like this, you know?
And what the hell is up with this crap, Muslims? As a proud athiest, i'm attacked often and told that i'm immoral, evil, wicked, going to hell, etc etc etc...I laugh and go find intelligent people to talk with. You can attack any belief I have, with any language you choose, and it means NOTHING to me. So what if someone makes a cartoon showing the face of the Prophet Mohammed? Does that force you to reject your own religion? Are you SO FUCKING WEAK that you can't stand other points of view? Wait, stupid question, I already know the answer to that one.
It takes a bigger, stronger, and BETTER man to be resonable and logical then to resort to violence.
Well, if you Muslim assholes would stop killing other people over your fucking silly religion, maybe we would not make these sterotypes. I'm not saying any other religion is better, they are all fucked up, outdated, and have no place in a modern world. Wake the fuck up and smell the coffee, human race. This is what happens when silly assholes that are stupid enough to beleive in the invisible pink unicorns in the sky come into possession of any sort of power whatsoever: They use it to bring misery and suffering to the lives of as many people as they possibly can.
For fucks sake, people are born, they grow old, and THEN THEY DIE. It's okay to die, you don't need to be so fucking afraid of it that you believe in silly things and take other people to the grave on your way out. Wake up, grow a fucking pair of balls, and face your fears. Takes a lot of fucking courage to be part of of 1% of this planet that is not fucking stupid, for lack of a better word.
Sorry, world, this shit really pisses me off. Thousands of years of time pass, we're still killing each other over THE SAME OLD LAME SHIT. Maybe it's time for a better idea? Just a sugesstion.
YOu muslims are all dumbasses, you are the ones yelling 'KILL ALL NON BELIEVERS' FUCK YOU ASSHOLES
Everybody that actualy believes theres a greater being out there (including christians,muslims and every other religion out there) are STUPID cultists, the difference between a cult and religion is that religion has millions of believers, who are dumb enough to actualy believe what some moronic deluted and demented caveman wrote thousands ofyears ago.
I'm sick and tired of you muslims, you don't respect women, you know SHIT about human rights and all we need you for is oil. You live like people in the middleages used to live: everything thats strange has to be burned or killed.
Grow a brain you stupid fanatisci
I say we nuke the middle east, good riddance
Some Muslims in Denmark was angry that they did not get money for their Church(Moskee) and could not afford it.
The fact is that there were no burning women in the newspaper. This picture came from the same Islamic society.
There was in fact none of the pictures on this site in the media in Denmark! they is probably produce by this organization...
These pictures are made by the Islamic people to makeup this conflict.
To my concern it is the Islamic that owes to apologies every one, to the people they made angry, to the whole world.
In the newspaper there seems to be a border of what they do and public; At the Islamic society there seems to be no such border at all. True seem to something they do not know what are.
The same leak of border you see at many other Islamic organizations, when it comes to terror etc.
We has prove that the same society sending SMS to the Middle East about the burning of the Koran. Believe me if that ever happens here there would had been pictures everywhere.
The problem in this conflict is not a newspaper but an organization with have the Danish version FBI in the back all the time.
Just to mention the people in Denmark is most Angry is the moderate Muslims. They do not like the picture in the newspaper, but they are angry on those Imams of the Islamic society, for public even worse pictures.
We will gladly take responsibility to what we did. But how can you complain about the pictures showing Islamic society as terrorism. I only hear Muslims being happy when the terrorist has done those actions.
I know that Islam says it is not legal. However is that the practice of Islam in this world?
But I think you Muslims shall start to clean in front of your own doors. The drawings you here complain about is made by the Islamic Society that claims to be offended. Not by Danes, even that the Islamic society claims so. I do not know what they want to reach by this? You ask them!
But if you can find a newspaper with those drawing you are welcome to tell where. If you can find ever dense of the burning of the Koran, as I can find ever dense of the burning of the Bible in Saudi Arabia, then I will like to know where to find it.
I believe that we shall keep to the fact. Those picture is not OK to public, if it was not you own people that public them. However it what you self: who started this conflict, by publishing things in the name of a Danish Newspaper. Things that the newspaper did not public or even had the hands on.
Therefore I believe that is the Islamic world that need to apologize to us.
you can find the newspaper site at this address http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
But please to not blame me for doing this I did not. Do not blame the newspaper for do things they did not.
It is totally hypocritical! He thinks he has the right to protest and protect islam when he is breaking one of its fundamental rules - DRUGS! His friend even went on national television to say he was a nice person (did he think we would believe that?!)and was only expressing the way he feels! What a joke! I hope that idiotic man feels really stupid and has disgraced his whole family as they have both disgraced muslims. I hope omar enjoys the rest of his prison sentence now and maybe learned not to express himself in such a manner that offends us! HYPOCRITE!!!! And don't say he isn't one of you or a true islamic. He thinks he is and none of you would even know he was a CONVICTED DRUG DEALER if you met him on the street or during prayer! How many people are there like this amongst you???? Who will ever really know? It's people like this you should be condemning not a funny cartoon!
Look to your own people before insulting law abiding people for sharing a joke and their free speech.
To the person above me : We live in a society that enables us to voice opinions and predudices, as musims do and as you have voiced yours. That's the whole idea of this blog. Nobody made you read it but you were compelled to comment....just like the rest of us. I personally am totally against pedophiles. That is my predudice and i'm proud of it and to say so.
I think the first thing we all need to realize is that, underneath, we are not all that different. Do you love your family? So do I. Do you love your friends and your nation? So do I. Do you have your own beliefs about god and religion? So do I.
Should your beliefs be questioned, even criticized, in a respectful manner? As should mine be. If not, how else will you learn anything?
Humor and satire are ways to make people think. If you find something offensive, then condemn it. If you want to mount a political movement or a boycott, you should feel free to do so. But by engaging in acts of violence and vandolism, you do more harm to your position than good. People will pay less attention to the political or religious point you are trying to make and more attention to the criminal acts that you are committing. Also, even if your message was correct, it will be stained by your misdeeds.
The next thing we all need to understand is that we don't really know all that much. If you hold a grain of sand over a dark piece of night sky, do you know what is behind that grain of sand? Thousands of galaxies, each with billions of stars.
So it seems to me that perhaps humanity is not quite so important as our religions tend to make us out to be. To claim to understand God's wishes or his true faith seems to me to be the height of arrogance and foolishness.
I think almost all of the earth's religions are perfectly acceptable ways to touch the divine spark that many of us feel we have. However, using religion to descriminate, persecute or as a political weapon (as Christians, Jews and Muslims have all done many times) is not acceptable.
Too many people treat their religion like an exclusive club that will get THEM into heaven and send everyone who is not in their club to hell. I sincerely doubt that there is a hell, since the whole concept is pointless, unless you make God as spiteful and vindictive as humanity can be at times. But I freely admit that I don't KNOW if there is one or not. It's just a belief that I have.
As to the Israel/Palastinian dispute, I have to admit that I don't what the best answer is. My country (USA) and Britian decided to recreate Israel as an independent nation in its traditional location after the end of World War II. Was this a good decision? Probably not. But it was made and the Israelis have certainly made the most of it. I trying to now "undo" Israel would be a serious mistake. My hope is that Israel and its neighbors can learn to live together peacefully. We have millions of Muslims, Jews and Christains here in the Unnited States and we are able to live together peacefully (for the most part). So I don't understand why it seems so hard to do so in the middle east.
Although I have problems with all of the major religions, I probably have more problems with Islam than I do with Christianity or Judaism. Here are my problems with Islam. Some of them may be based on ignorance, and I welcome corrective instruction.
1. Islam seems to blend church and state together to a greater degree than I am comfortable with. Perhaps this is partly explained by the fact that Mohammed was a political authority as well as a religious authority. It seems that many Islamic countries are theocracies or have a political movement inside of them to form a theocracy. Theocracies are inherently intolerant of other religious viewpoints, and therefore would not be my preferred form of government.
2. While I believe that Islam actually enhanced the rights of women as they were at the time of Islam's creation, I believe that it can be interpreted to restrict the modern rights of women to an extent that I find unacceptable. Saudi Arabia and would be a good example of an Islamic country that does not (in my opinion) afford enough rights to women.
3. While I believe that much of the Koran is based on moral, ethical and peaceful principals, I believe there are also certain passages that are more ambiguous on whether or not it is acceptable to use the force of arms in the defense of Islam. I believe that the suicide bombers have misread and perverted their own religion. I am pretty sure that the Koran promises that Allah will punish anyone who commits suicide. I am also pretty sure that the Koran forbids making war on women and children. I do not understand how the terroists think they are acting righteously when they both kill themselves (suicide) and kill women and children. So while I agree that the vast majority of Muslims are good, ethical people, a small minority of Muslims seem to using their religion as a justification for terrorist acts.
4. This is a key problem I have with Islam. What is the worst thing you can be under Islam? Is it a rapist? A murderer? A child molester? No. The worst thing you can be is an apostate, and I believe being an apostate is punishable by death (according to the Koran). That means that if I read the Koran and decide to become a Muslim, and later I read the Bible and decide that the message of Christianity appeals to me more, then I have become the worst thing humanly possible just by exercising my own free will. In my opinion, this problem is connected to Islam's apparent difficulty in thinking critically about itself. It is also related, again, in my opinion, to what I consider to be an overreaction to the Danish cartoons. It is particularly problematic when combined with politics (see issue #1), in that claims of apostasy become political weapons.
Well, I think I have written enough for now. If anyone wants to respond to my comments, am posting anonymously, but my name is Hugh.
i think you all are a bunch of cry
do you all gripe and complaint when you send your sons and daughters to die!?!
if islam tell you all that doing
humanity such terrorism then its
time to rethink your murderous
lovely calm reading. I can't claim to be politically or religiously knowledgeable but can relate to all you've said, thanks.
On how women in Saudi are treated....UNBELIEVALBE! PREHISTORIC! Women are not even allowed to drive a car and my sister is not even allowed to leave her house alone(without a man).
Read this and weep; all of you!
It's all a setup, staged by our new "Lord" Mr. G.W.Bush.
Shame on you all; media, christians and muslims.
How easy is it to screw you all, as long as there is a masterplan to direct the focus away from yourself (USA).
Just wondering what's in the coming from the yanks now?
Are they going to save the Christian World, the Danes, exterminate the muslims?
Only our new "Lord" knows or rather Donald knows, because Georgie boy does not have the capability to think such grand thoughts by himself.
Have a smashing day ;-)
Doesn't it show how well developed muslim countries are when it takes nearly 5 months for the news about these cartoons to reach those parts of the world?
The problem consists of people who are untolerant of others ideas and beliefs, going on here and typing "***K ALL MUSLIMS!" makes you just as bad and as ignorant as the fundamentalists who fuel your anger, not to mention it makes the rest of us non-muslims look like asses.
those who are part of the solution understand 1 basic principle, treat others how you want to be treated.
this applies to all things in life and i am not hear to support muslim, christian or jew. there should be no label applied to others, it shouldn't matter what, who, where, why, when, you treat them the same way.
personally i was raised as a christian but have no such label on myself, i am a man who has formed my own ideas, and to behonest i dont mean to offend anyone in particular but i beleive religion has become and always was a crutch for mankind to get through horrible circusatances (famine, war, ect.) wich is understandable, but from a non religious point of view it looks like utter stupidity, like watching children argue over what the name of their imaginary freind is.
which is fine to do, beleive what you want to, infact i may be wrong and burn in hell (or any other religious name for it is) but once you impose your thoughts and actions on others you have crossed a line that is not in your right to cross.
keep in mind i dont fully understand what the chemistry of your situation over their is both in europe and in the middle-east, but both have to look in the mirror and be accoutable for your county's and you religion's actions.
The Creator of heaven and earth is the protector of his deen and his prophets (peace upon them all).
So I say screw them all. Like they screw within the family! That they marry their uncle's daughters is common knowledge. Isn't there a genetic disadvantage in reproduction within the family? Food for thought.
For a change do not prosecute him.
Remove his eyes.Make him beg on the streets.GIVE HIM THE SAME PUNISHMENT AS PRESCRIBED IN QURAN FOR TRAITORS.
.. jednima, i drugima...
I live in Bosnia...
....just wishing good luck to both Westerns and Muslims...
Some Anonymous said the Danish Imam should be punished by pulling out his eyes as per the laws of Quran.Seems a good idea.Why can't Western governments bring a law seperately for its muslim population.That way you can use the barbarous laws of Quran to keep muslims under check.
My prediction: The islamic world will eventually accept and desire free speech; as it matures, it will learn to do what westerners do, avoid purchasing media that they do not like.
Democracy is a social contract. Freedom of the press is an essential ingredient in providing public accountability to all. An educated population increases the chance of a succesful Democracy. Unfortunately, the greater part of the islamic world has poor education and the result is unfortunate: deaths in Afghanistan during cartoon protests.
I am an American. My amazing wife is a minority from a moderate islamic country. As a young woman, she lived in Europe and moved to the USA and thrives in western freedom where she is now a wonderful mother of our daughter, with another on the way. She describes the west as the most just area of the world and holds deep appreciation for the fairness and equality that the USA and Europe provide their people and immigrants. Freedom of expression and Freedom of religion involve toleration. Toleration involves tolerating other religions' blasphemies. This is done well in the USA and Europe where at one time Christian sects were at each others throats. The Americans and Europeans truly tolerate and accept each others differences in free societies.
The Danes did nothing wrong. They did not hurt anyone. It was just one newspaper. The Danish Imams who lied did the damage through their lies in the middle east. Moslems of strong character can forgive the newspaper and the innocent, ever thoughful, respectful, brave, and sensitive Danish people. I can only hope these Danish Imams eventually receive the respect that they deserve.
Just a very quick note to say..... I agree with the person known as FUCKRELIGION.
Atleast there's one person with a brain on this blog.
Although alot of the replies that i've read so far have some intelligence behind it i just don't see the point of arguing over something as bizarre as 'religion'
I hope you (all you believers) realise that you are arguing over something that does not exist, there is no god, there is no higher being whatsoever.
We came into existence by PURE CHANCE, PURE LUCK. If anything,the slightest atom would've been different oh so many million years ago mankind would never have existed.
Haven't you heard of 'evolution'
yeah,thats where we came from.
So is evolution god? No, evolution is something we do all the time.
Give it a rest, go back to bed and burn all your dumbass religious books as they bring nothing but malice and war.
(most wars fought in the past were religious wars)
What respect they want if they disrespect any other?
An interesting discussion I found on one of islamic forums (not extremists): the discussion was about that case of murder of a christian priest in turkey by an islamic lunatic. So, people on that forum condemn (of course!) the murder, but seriously believe that those miserable cartoons are a WORSE crime. Our non-muslims lifes cost less than fucking drawings to them!
I wonder why you europeans let them come and live in your countries, raise crimes and terrorism. Think of your children =)
What would really stink for them is after blowing themselves up ...
thinking they are going heaven for the 72 virgins just to find out that they are actually in hell with 72 virgins and their private parts are still missing from the explosion.
The most important fact of all the fuss the muslims go though on a daily basis is...
Once the oil is gone, we're not going to care. And their mothers can go back to sucking camel pensis for hydration in the desert.
or in another way it shows the amount of misbelieves and misunderstandings about Islam that exists in the (so called) west that when it was placed on the judgment while it is considered inevitable by one side but unacceptable by the other side how the conflicts started to show up.
Yet some people do not want to open their eyes on the reason of the protests and try to justify their blindness with some actions of extremists that started to occur after the continuation of ignorance of this matter.
When the whole religion (any religion) is accused as a result individual actions to show the truth about that religion, there are not so many outcomes that can be expected.
For instance, if for example an offensive Christian picture (eg. Jesus to be Gay) is published lets say on Times Magazine, and it continues to be ignored by everybody else to be considered as the truth, then I would want to see what some extremists on Christianity will do,
(though theoretically this should also provoke Muslim actions and comments, cause Islam believes, there is no difference between Mohammad, Jesus and Moses and they all should have absolutely the same value for the Muslims)
Harry Cusik, I assure you, when your oil finishes, your mothers r gonna be the ones sucking our penises,,,
You say "There is no God!" and "All these problems come from religious fighting." etc etc.
I have a question, then. If there is no God, then why is it "better" to live in peace and show respect? If there is no God, then there is only what I want, and fuck what you want. If there is no God, then if I have the power, why should I not murder anyone, religious or
irreligious, who gets in my way? If the religious were to punish you for not believing, you would screech at the top of your lungs about how "wrong" it is.
You folks who deny God and then rant about how people "should" live are a real trip. Both feet planted firmly in the air.
this statement in it's self freightens me, to think that if there were no higher power to threaten you with abandonment from heaven you feel that you would be compelled to do acts of terrible deeds? i am NOT a follower of any religion but to watch a man, women or child murdered still greatly effects me, it is still possible to have compation and integredy without the threat of going to hell.
Simply put, just because im not a follower of one type of religion or another it is not necessarily true that thier is no belief in a higher power of some sort. this universe is imense to say the lest and i have no idea who, or what created us and life in general but i think it does us all a disservice to suggest mankind would have no remorse if it wern't for religion and thier ideologies.
Let's respect each other. As simple as this, again.
> # posted by Anonymous : 12:37 AM
Aha, but keep akbar as far as you're far. We don't need it, just believe.
I hope that you recieve this letter in a suitable time.....
4 month ago
Jyllands-Posten news ridiculing Mohammed ,the messenger of Islam in caricatures.
and all muslims all over the world get angry about it..
do you want to know who is Mohammed.. and what he did to make all this people love him ?
please..visit this sites..
hope that now you will know what a great hero was our prophet -peace upon him-
my kind regard
It is true that a few Muslims have acted tainted a respectable religion, but the heads of The Church are the ones who instigated all the crap endured by Europeans and Turks, and Muslims, anyone who was unfortunate enough to come into contact with them.
OVO JE STVARNO PREVISE!!!
TO EVERYBODY, NEVER FORGET WHERE U COME FROM!!
SPREAD PEACE AND LOVE....AND FOR DANS, PLZ FEAR NOTHING FROM MUSLIM, BCOZ WE DO FORGIVE AND FORGET...BUT REMEMBER ....FALS.FLAG.WAR, CAN HIT U IN THE NAME OF ISLAM....
I LOVE EUROPE AND AND EUROPEAN, PLZ AGAIN SPREAD LOVE & MORE LOVE
U DONT NO WHAT U GOT UR SELVES INTO U HAVE NO CLUE JUST WAIT
Those images were produced and distributed by the Danish imams. Why don't you ask them (and post the answer here)? This is their address: www.wakf.com
> U DONT NO WHAT U GOT UR SELVES INTO U HAVE NO CLUE JUST WAIT
*sigh* These three images were produced by the imams - do you get it now?
If you have a problem - take it out with the imams - and leave us infidels alone.
BE IT TODAY TOMORROW OR TEN YEARS FROM NOW
YOU DONT SEE MUSLIMS DRAWING PICTURES OF JESUS WITH A BOMB IN HIS HAIR
YOU ALL DESERVE TO BURN IN HELL
YOU PICKED A FIGHT YOU CAN'T WIN
FUCK ALL OF YOU
THAY PUBLISHED THEM FOR US MUSLIMS TO SEE THEM
The imams took a picture from a French pig calling competition.
They claimed it was Danish. It was not.
They claimed is was a picture of Mohammed. It was not.
They reproduced and spread it over the Middle East in order to offend millions of Muslims.
The imams are the true blasphemers.
You don't mock Jesus - because he's also holy to your own religion where he's known as Isa. But you mock Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Americans and so on.
And you make drawings that are 100 times worse than anything published in any Western media.
Take a look at these Arabic racist drawings of Jewish people".
If JýllandsPosten had posted these drawings they'd be in jail by now.
Yeah, we've heard it all here. America is stealing the oil of the middle east. Sure looks like the RULERS of those countries are sure living the poor lifestyle(with their big palaces). Also, if it wasn't for the demand for oil, it wouldn't be worth anything at all. Watching gas prices go up constantly sure makes everyone think that all our soldier's lives and tax money was well spent liberating an ungrateful people.
As far as Fancy Pants dipstick is concerned, most don't believe that President Bush conspired 9/11 anymore than they think Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy was involved. Where's your proof? Cram it with walnuts, fruitloop! Don't purport your comments are the view of this country. Just because you say something doesn't ACTUALLY make it true.
Here's another unbelievable thing: If you're American you can't see the 12 drawings that is supposedly at the center of this controversy - unless you have access to the Internet.
Very few (single digit) American papers or TV channels have published one or maybe two of the cartoons (usually the worst ones) - but as an American (without access to the Internet) you have no way of knowing that most of the 12 cartoons are totally harmless.
VIDEO: BREAKING THE TABOO by Michelle Malkin.
The same thing is true for the UK. Imams are allowed to declare death threats on the BBC - but nobody is allowed to see the harmless drawings.
I'm also interested in the people of obvious Muslim tendancy who tell everyone "you just wait" and "you'll see what's coming". Have these people not yet realized that their acts just seem to harbor more resentment? Deep down, do they really want the Crusades to resume(who really wants that)? It just appears they want to fight not to be peaceful.One of my questions is that if Islam is so peaceful, how come these people have always been fighting someone? I realize they have suffered some hardships, but so has every other culture on earth. I'm not sure that these folks realize that things have gotten out of hand and the industrialized nations they are waging war on have the power and "toys" to put an end to this little 3rd rock from the sun if they lost their minds. That is the scary part.
If you look back at the deepest history of all of the world's current religions, there are similarities. There is the possibility that they all started from the same happening, ideal, or even a visitation from another planet many centuries ago.
So why all the jealousy and bitterness now? If you feel that you need to follow a religion, then do so. Keep your mind focussed on that, and leave everyone else to make their own choice.
Just think of that old saying "Turn the other cheek".
Life's too short. Just get on with it in your own way and don't interfere with anyone else.
Unfortunately that seems to be the attitude of the American leaders. They ignore that this is a battle for free speech in the Western world (not just Denmark) and that this battle seems to be lost already in the UK and the USA.
No cartoons if you're British or American
Religion is about tolerance so please show us (both christians muslims Jews buddist) that you are able to do so, to tolerate, to have peace word in your mouth.
At the very first moment when you start to shout and say bad words ... You are no longer a believer of any religion.
Don't blame me. Blame the lying imams who made the three disgusting pictures. The 12 Danish ones are quite innocuous by comparison.
Nobody is preventing you from expressing your opinion. Go to the top of this page and click "Get your own blog".
As Robert Heinlein once wrote, "Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up gods superior to themselves. Most have the manners and morals of a spoiled child."
I couldn't agree more.
And try to stay on the subject - I just had to delete another gigantic cut-n-paste job (this time it was anti-Muslim).
Have you ever heard of the "PATRIOT ACT"? I sugest you read it.
After you do, ask yourself why it's there!.
Freedom of religion? Not in the muslim world. Not even from moderate muslims. Since muslims do not agree with freedom of religion and wish to punish people who do not agree with them, non-muslims must act in self-defense and punish muslims first.
[An atheist who does right with no hope of reward is more moral than a christian who does no wrong for fear of punishment.]
well excuse me for trying to be honest here. I am NOT advocating anything. All i said is that if you excpect to express your opinions freely about our religion some people (who are offended or feel disrespected by it) can express their RIGHT OF FREE CHOICE FREELY and choose the products they wanna buy freely. You can't force people who are angry or hurt to buy ur products. They are FREE to buy wutever they want just as you are FREE to write wutever you want.
I hope that u don't reflect the opinion of most MODERATE westerns.
Where in all of this is the intent to build greater tolerance and understanding? Instead of issuing fatwas and rewards for murder that offend all laws, religions and all humanity would it not do more for the good of all if the persons who drew and published the original cartoons should be visited by some learned and peace loving imams and mullahs and educated as to why they should have had more sense and respect for their islamic brothers beliefs?
Here are some funny cartoons about Mohammad (piss be upon him).
So make love not war - danes still are!!
YOU MUSLIMS THINK THAT YOU ARE GOD? YOU CRASH PLANES INTO BUILDINGS OF INNOCENT AND SO ON. GOD WILL NOT PUNISH THE DANISH PEOPLE, GOD IS FORGIVING AND DO NOT PUNISH.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TO GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN SOMETHING INSTEAD OF HATING PEOPLE YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. IN SCANDINAVIA WE TREAT OUR WOMEN WITH THE RESPECT THEY EARN AFTER GIVING BIRTH TO US. YOU TREAT YOUR ANIMALS AND YOUR WOMEN THE SAME, LIKE THE PIGS YOU DO NOT EAT. THE PIGS DO NOT STINK AS MUCH SHIT AS YOU DO. I WILL NOT SEE YOU IN HELL. I´M GOING TO NANGIJALA. YOU WILL SUCK SADDAMS COCK IN HELL.
Jesus Christ is the Son of the I AM, eternally God of very God.
I am an American who believes STRONGLY in the 2nd Amendment, declare your frickin fatwa, I and my American and Jewish families will defend ourselves.
Your stupid superstitions and prohibitions prevent us, healthy sane people, from the normal living.
FUCK YOUR JESUS.
FUCK YOUR MOHAMMED.
FUCK YOUR BUDDAH.
GET ALL OF YOUR IDOLS AND PUT THEM INTO YOUR ASS.
insulting our prophet means insulting all muslims on earth.
so please if u want to talk about islam it is ok but donot say wrong things ,so u must read about islam before talking to make the debates usefull.
So you are saying that the Danish imams who made the three blasphemous cartoons on this page have insulted all Muslims on Earth.
Why then are you burning embassies instead of mosques? You hypocrite.
T O L E R A N C E !!!
face facts who dont know who is controlling shit anymore than any other religous group. i really got a lot more to say. but i faced facts along time ago. and i realize muslims are ignorant and will always be ignorant. so till next time from one AMERICAN to the rest of this crazy fucked up world
PEACE OUT BITCHES
NEXT TIME YOU COME FUCKING WITH MY COUNTRY, HOW BOUT INSTEAD OF COWARDING INTO THE SANDS LIKE SADDAMS IRAQ. WHY DONT YOU FAGS COME ON OUT AND FIGHT US LIKE A MAN. AFTER ALL YOU GOT THAT PIG MOHHAMED ON YOUR SIDE. OH WAIT, IM SORRY I FORGOT HES COWARDING UNDER THE SAND TOO. HAHAHA SUCKERFISHES.
ISLAM IS A MAN MADE RELIGION?
1) Praying 5 times in a day? In a certain direction?
Why must you face a certain direction? Are you actually praying to God or to his "Ka'bah"??
I didnt know God was faced in that direction and he can only see you in that direction isit? Shouldnt you be able to pray anytime and anywhere and whenever you feel like praying asking God for help?
2) Every religion on earth here as his own main depiction of its religion, eg: Jesus, Budha... even though P.Mohammed is just a prophet shouldnt there be proper depictions of him? why do they put cloth to cover his face and some fiery fire in some paintings??... its like he never existed and this was made up by some guy.
3) In your Quran you mentioned the word "infidels" what is it to you? To what we know "infidel" labels the other ppl who are not islam. And what does the Quran tell you to do about infidels? IT says Kill them rite?
Does your God Practice Double Standards to others? I will be scared to ever eat or have a drink with any of my moslem friends due to this, because he can just stab me behind the back and say its okay for me to kill you cause you are an infidel, and the quran says its OK to do it...
4) What is the punishment for leaving the Islam religion? Did you guys know it means stoning to death?? WOW what a great religion to do away with the ex-islam believers.... Why is there no choice of leaving freely? after all it is a religion? and it is suppose to make you into a better person... not turn you into a stone thrower and a killer? Id really be scared and confused now if God told me to stone a person to death... seems like the devils work though..
5) The DOG? What could be so possibly be so wrong to play with a DOG? or even touch it? Cats are OKAY in your book right? Why is that? Again Double Standards by GOD/ALLAH? God/Allah created dogs for what? spare materials??
6) The Pig? Same as the Dog? Again double standards? Wow imagine this scenario... God tells you the Pig and Dog are dirty animals... I made a mistake in creating them...
Summary : Dont you guys and girls think that this religion is so weird and it contradicts itself over and over again? There are too many noticeable flaws and that it is why only a MAN can have these great MAN-MADE errors...
It is understandable that many of our practices and beliefs may seem strange to those in the West, just as the practices of many Westerners seem strange to us.
While many Muslims have benefited from an exposure to Western civilization and formed more nuanced views as a result, likewise some in the West who studied our civilization and our religious belief became more appreciative of them, and friendlier towards Muslims.
In this spirit, we invite you to read this message for Truth, Justice and Peace.
Mohamed (peace be upon him ). If I want to tell you about him all the paper of the world will not be enough to write about HIS characteristics and his behavior, HE didn't wrong any body HE was kind, honest, faithful. It is better you to read about HIM and if you find that HE deserves all the bad and impolite campaigns that some Danish did against HIM and against ISLAM, they can go on but all the MUSLIMS in all the countries will not stand and watching them insulting our religion and our Prophet. Our reply will not be by insult or killing. NO we will boycott them by every means and they can't ignore our power in their economy and at last ALLAH will be with us because they started that. I want you also to know that THE PROPHET did not teach hatred, violence, or bloodshed. He taught us about human brotherhood and he stood firmly against prejudice. He loved children, their hands he’d hold. He taught his followers to respect the old. So would he allow the murder of an innocent child? No... I don't know why others are trying to spread lies about him and about Islam??? If you come to realize you will find that we are despising Bloodshed according to the instructions of our holy book QURAAN and also to our PROPHET MOHAMED (peace be upon him) So please try to think with your mind. WE respect all the religions because ALLAH and our PROPHET ordered us to be like that. Try to respect us and remember that the Muslims are not less but we are great number and we also are part of the world. We want to live in peace so leave us and try to be our friends not enemies.
We believe the importance of discussion and dialogue, but we think that prophet Mohamed cartoons was a provocation which make us feel deep sadness ,anger ,disappointment ...
IMAM UNIVERSITY STUDENTS
EYE OPENNER FOR EVERYONE! :)
ISLAM IS A MAN MADE RELIGION?
from anonymous.. its unbelieveable these facts.. it really does contradict everything... This is definitely common sense and logic.. wonder what kind of replies they have for this? From all angles i see no answers..
*I will be very afraid tooo when i next eat to another Islam religion guy beside me in any restaurant.
I don't get most of the pictures anyway.
I think people are overreacting way too seriously. In the protests, some Islamic people had signs that said: "Behead those who insult Islam." If you ask me, that is a little extreme. If we can't even draw pictures, with no commentary, then why should they be able to protest the way they did.
That is very hypocritical.
Christian unforgivable sin? Doubting the holy spirit.
According to Hugh (posted way up there somewhere) the worst thing a Muslim can be is an apostate (in other words, doubting the religion you once held true).
Do you think this is a coincidence that the biggest sin is doubt in both religions? Religion is about control - that doesn’t mean some good can’t come from it, but in the end it is about asking you not to think for yourself.
Why get in a killing frenzy over a handful of silly cartoons that 99.9 percent of the world would not have noticed, nor cared about? Control. And fear is one way to control people. You think I’m going to post my address here so some nut job can put me in the ground because I don’t believe in his or her God? You won’t find a serious open debate about the legitimacy of the Muslim religion where an extremist may hear for fear of retribution.
Remember Mohammed Bouyeri, who murdered the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh ? Theo’s crime, as you may know, was making a confrontational short film about the abuse of women in Islamic societies. The death penalty seems a bit extreme for having a different opinion - respectful or not.
Prove me wrong and ill gladly convert into an Islamic person myself and ill be cleansed from the word "infidel" in just a matter of seconds! Even though i have eaten pork and played with dogs during my previous years as an infidel! wow! im the holliest man now!
Another Great exciting fact which has no answer to it and for everyone to think the logic and carefulness behind it... thus labeling it a MAN-MADE RELIGION again!...
If you get trampled on and die there you are guaranteed heaven even though you have murdered or done hideous things in life?
Its the only religion which teaches you about like throwing stones at people in some circumstances which religion is this?
YOUR CHOICE TO THINK? Definitely!
MAN MADE RELIGION....
Ya know, this gives me an idea for a cartoon....
I am an American who does not believe in religion. I'm sorry if the original (I thought this blog was about the 3 cartoons planted by muslims to incite violence) cartoons offended anyone, but to bad. If someone disagrees with you it is not the end of the world. Quite frankly, I find the death to American chants a little more offensive, but I don't overreact and hate all muslims.
As for the ignorant people, what can you do. I'm sure when they post their FUCK YOU MUSLIMS AND FUCK YOU NON-MUSLIMS comments it makes them feel like they have made some kind of point.
As a "non-believer", I wish everyone peace and happiness, I just don't expect to see it.
I think for all the people who say they love God, and who also fear God, should understand that if a person, or a group of people, offends God, it is quite clear that he does not need people rioting in the streets to punish the people he thinks offended God. If you read any of the religious scripts from the religions of Abraham (Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Bahai'ism, and Mandaeism) you'll see that God rewards people the same he can punish people, and it is in no one's place to decide when right or wrong has been commited in reference to religion. Ofcourse, matters un-related to religion, such as racial problems or nationality issues, are something that people need to resolve, and should be outside the realm of religion.
I think that for anyone as religious as myself, it is QUITE clear that we should go on living according to our religions and just respect other culture or religions. And if we can't do that, then just IGNORE other cultures, mabye that is a little crude, but if it stops violence then it is a positive solution.
When I look across the ocean at the hell that has been created in the Middle East from the false prophet, I can only blame myself and others of the faith who have failed to reach out and say "Jesus Love You"
In loving kindness to all humanity, may you come to know Jesus Christ and salvation.
not in my name, not in allahs, not in jesus´ name. Your god is hate, and we wont have it.
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i feel sad about the state of the world.
i want to paint a picture for you:
at first, it would be easier to see the following picture in your minds, if you could try and forget your name, your home address, your family, your friends and your possible religion. this might sound odd, but i assure you, it is essential for you to see the picture i am trying to paint here. it is not the truth nor is it even exceptional. but it is something i don't find harmful for anyone to see. it might even make you feel something. i don't know.
imagine a person.
forget the genitals and everything that tries to make this person look like a man or a woman.
forget the color of this person's skin.
forget the color of it's eyes.
forget the hair on it's head.
forget the face.
just imagine, there is a person in the picture.
it's heart is pounding as it constantly keeps experiencing different kinds of emotions and learning through empiric methods, as well as collecting information via theoretic sciences publications, and all the medias, and all the advertisements.
this person molds it's personal vision of the world through it's own referencial frame. it is not right nor wrong. it is not complete but it necessarily isn't missing anything.
a person also wonders why it is in the world. a person is curious about other persons. about their views. about their habits. about their believes. about their genitals.
when there is a person living inside an animal, we call it a human being.
now, if you can see the picture, think about it. do you see yourself?
imagine there's 6,5 billion people who can see theirselves merely by imaging these things i've written.
imagine how similar to each other we are in the end.
imagine animals, fighting each other for someone else's sake. for the sake of someone else's fortune. for the sake of someone else's power.
can you see them same way i do?
i see them confused and not wanting to reclaim the person that lived inside them when they were born.
i see them forgetting who they are and concentrating on:
-how powerful they can become - THROUGH FIGHTING FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S PERSONAL GOALS!
-how rich they can become - BY BEING SOMEONE'S WHORE IN A WORLD GONE INSANE!
-how famous and adorable they can become - BY BEING ON THE WINNERS SIDE, IF THEY ARE LUCKY. IF THEY ARE IN A HIGHER POWER'S FAVOUR. (can you really believe this!?)
it is sad, that i cannot see any winners in any of this, only losers. even the most rich, powerful and famous animals. are nothing more than animals.
are you a human being [an animal who has a personality and is considered as "a person"]?
or are you just an animal without a free will and uncapable to think for yourself and to form values based on how you feel and what you think you've learned?
okay, if you went through the steps, you probably wonder what was the point of all this?
and why would anyone want to write such things down and put them out into the internet for all the ~6,5 billion different PEOPLE to see?
WHERE THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WON'T
FOR WE ARE DIFFERENT, WE ARE EQUAL.
LOVE THE WORLD
P.S. Don't forget your freedom of THINKING FOR YOURSELF, it is not just your right as a human being, it IS YOUR OBLIGATION AS A HUMAN BEING!!!!
Please leve my country. Then there'll be one racist less.
> "I rather live in the USA,UK ETC THEN DENMARK."
It's 13%, not 50%.
Pia Kjærsgård is not racist. That's just a label the Islamofascists use for anyone they don't agree with.
> "denmark was hell after the sep 11and still is."
One of my first reactions after September 11, was that I felt for sorry for you Muslims because your religion had been hijacked by a handful of extremists.
Then it turned out that many Danish Muslims, who were born and raised in Denmark, actually supported the terrorists. Abu Laban had "no tears for the Americans" and there was even a Danish Taliban "warrior" in Afghanistan, who was willing to "defend his brothers" all over the world. This Taliban-warrior had been headhunted from Raed Hlayhel's mosque in Grimhøjvej, Århus.
Why have you, as a Muslim, allowed the extremists to hijack your religion?
I'm sure there are lot of nice people among the Muslims, but they need to speak up against the califascists - again and again. Otherwise the debate will be between Islamofascist and Danes.
FOR WE ARE DIFFERENT, WE ARE EQUAL.
LOVE THE WORLD
small son are in NYC at the site of the WTC. The boy asks his father, "Daddy, what was the world trade center?"
The father said, "They were two tall buildings that you could see from all Manhattan. But they are gone now."
"What happened to them," asked the little boy.
"They were destroyed by Muslims," said the father.
The little boy thought about that for a moment and then looked up and asked his father, "What are Muslims.....?"
All the comments so far either against muslims or other non muslims is showing that the world is fast losing humanity.
It should be understood that no religion has all perfect people in it.
9/11 was absolutely wrong your so called war is with US so have to fight US soldiers not kill innocent children, women, old people ISLAM FORBIDS IT....
Take BOSNIA, CHECHNYA, PHILLIPINES, GAUTANAMO, ABU GHARIB.
Instead accusing IMAMS about paedophile which is not proven recall ur mice like memory what happened inside CHURCHES. PREISTS RAPING MOLESTING innocent CHILDREN, NUNS. Which is satisfactorily proved....
Take what happenen against muslims in (GUJRAT, MUMBAI, AYODHYA, BHAGALPUR)in INDIA
Palestianian presidential palaces are raided. Jails are broken and people killed. Small infants are killed in front of their parents.
The above things are just examples so stop thinking negatively and think about co existing peacefully
If US starts massacaring muslims. the muslims will also start killing US PEOPLE.
If MUSLIMS starts MASSACARING US PEOPLE. The US will start killing MUSLIMS.
And same about all religions.
So a day might come where earth will be empty so atlast what will be the cause and goal achieved after some of blood shed.
SO THINK BEFORE PICK UP A WEAPON
ASK YOUR CONSIENCE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO WHAT WILL U ACHIEVE
A muslim on the contrary GIVES himself to his religion, lives closely to his God.
This explains their hospitality, generosity and trust in life. These people are not fanatics, just dedicated. A Muslim outside his country needs his religion in order to tolerate us ignorant beer swilling, ,wifeswopping Viking cowards. To all Muslims: we respect your dedication to your religion but we cannot show this because we are not equal here. The religion of the western world is evil and dirty in comparison. Help us.
Irish and anonymous.
Whoever the agressive "anonymous" above is, you are truely the loveless dog of pure shameless sadness whose blood is as mixed as any other.
So why did the imams make the three blasphemous pictures at the top of this page?
Like you, i don't know who and why.
Again.. we in the Wild West respect (and envy) Muslim dedication to that which they hold precious. This is naturally difficult for us to show, alas, if we were not so thwarted by our own loss of faith we would ourselves own more pride and respect, and therefore live with less fear and inferiority.
Don't assume anything about me Sir., as you are not aqquainted with me either, no more than you know these particular priests,
--- "Let me tell You something about MYself"---
After 17 years of Catholic upbringing in Ireland I took a break from the good book never to return in the same way. Another man made religion?...
I think not. I have my God as it has me, and thats in correspondance with my Human Nature...
Depending on what hardships or challenge you experience defines a lot of your interhuman character but the nature of being that teaches you to respect your elders needs no categori as i'm sure you as atheist well know.
Muslims have and deserve great respect for their disiplin and dedication to their religion. They are also greatly and deservedly invited to the natural transformation OF THE BEST OF ALL NATURES be they Afghani Kurdi Palestinian or Irish.
I know that when the old woman gets on the bus she'll be glad when the right person gets up to offer his seat, whether she aknowledges it or not, and all i believe in is Nature.
How can we say we know better? We know nothing of our third world countries feelings and injustices in the home, their cleanliness, their need for politeness and peace.
We guyz are hyping up about fancy famous photographs all day while stronger people than us are truely afraid, invaded and traumatised, and rather need our compassion sent to their kitchen where there is a lot more Love than you seem to anticipate.
Human Nature decides either way.
We too (Ireland) have been attacked and occupied. WE HAD our religion in purer form prior to this change. We too were seen as wild dogs by the Great British Empire, and we too were not seen.
Believe the people when they say that Mohammad, like the Jesus that was, promoted peace. They fucked up (sorry-Haram) Jesus with some bad rumours too, and edited from then on their bible with rank.
If the Holy Qor'an is one day comprehended anew here and there i wouldnt be surprised, in the meantime Goodwill towards all people is sadly dwindling, so my thoughts go to kitchens of the needy and no more to the 3 pictures. Good lives for all.
Check out "Skeptic's Annotated Bible/Qu'ran"
Sober Human Nature tolerates.
I am a Muslim, and live in Japan, where I have no problems and people around are extreemly nice and great even if they are not muslim.
I was offended by the pictures, but that shouldn't be a reason to say stuffs like what I have read in this page, insulting all the OTHERS!!! coz all what you r doin in fact is givin prrog for those who r against Islam to beleive that we "muslims" are violent and trouble-makers and for those who r freinds to Islam, a reason to change their mind! so plz refer to the Quran and Sunnah and learn how the great prophet mohamed PBUH used to live like and how he a great person he was that could convert his enemies and made them beleive in Allah.
FOR THE NON-MUSLIMS:
I appologize in the name of all muslims if some of us "muslims" over-reacted, but the pics were very insulting and did hurt us at the deepest level because the person "the one draw the pics againt" are a very special person to us and we do love him alot!
I do beleive no matter what that we r brothers since we are all humans and that the difference of religion and beleive shouldnt make us fight' yet I do beleive that the only way to it is RESPECT!!!
if we respect eash other, everything is gonna be alrite! im not sayin bullshit, but im talkin from experience, I live in Japan for the moment and I had no troubles at all for about 9months with anyone, simply coz there is a mutual respect....
FOR THOSE WHO THINK WE are TERRORISTS:
beleive it or not Islam is a religion of peace and minorities rights, and that thx to this religion that I am typin these words rather than sayin some bad words to all of u!!
none of u need me to bring up examples of terrorist groups from other religions or beleifs, for instance, the catholic-protestantsv war in Irland where many of both sides were killed! is it because christianity is a terroism religion? NO!!! do i have to remind u of the baptists and protestants int he US who burnt abortion hospitals with the doctors and nurses inside coz they made some abortions?? deos that mean chrestianity is terrorism??? not at all!!! or should I tell you about the famous Israel?? who is killing innocent palestinian children after they took their land under the world's sight!!! and using apatchies and F16 to attack inoocent civilians at their homes!!! does it mean jews are terrorist??? I beleive not!!
there are mulims condamining the 9/11 attacks, there are chrestians out there in africa and poor countries helping poor people and donating there money and there r jews who are marchin in NY and other places to protest against Israel, and it is up to YOU which pointyou wanna c these religions from and do not be surprised from their reaction once u judge them!!!!
FOR THOSE WHO DRAW THE PICS OR THINK IT WAS RIGHT!
no comment!!!! may ALLAH show the truth weather u like it or not!!!
I feel your Human Nature telling me that if there were two women and two men left on Earth, respectively Muslim and Non-muslim, you would see it as your mission from your God, to take the final step for your Great Allah and kill the two remaining non-believeres/enemies, to go down in a new history as the saviour of mankind for Allah, and creating the new Muslim Human Species, something your eyes would have shined at, as it would any good Muslim.
Its quite impossible for you to conceal both your young age and your lesser knowledge of "category". What you don't seem to understand is that you too are in your own category containing its own reality.
Your not excused from being in the Muslim category just because you dont throw petrol bombs at the "non-believers". Same category, but only one of many.
The old Irish knew not much of their earlier invaders religion, yet they understood that they were about to be raped and killed after they would resist,taken from, by the Norwegians, Swedes and Danish. Whatever religion the Viking's meant they had? it invaded, raped and killed as in all other invasions of History.
A category of "peace" and care for the minority, explaining why you spoke so kindly to we in the minority. ? See the category situation your in? You most certainly are Sir.
This is a fact which is being recognised by many many Muslims and this number is spreading.
The outcome will be integrated and changed Muslims who decide themselves to learn from their own lifes experience, and feel freely in which way they are experienced. As has been happening on the Catholic front, Muslims will also develop away from the threats of eternal fire just for being a free human who like all others, learns from their own mistakes.
The truely tolerant category do not share the view of "My way -only way"...
Back to difference between terrorism (violent or non violent), and defence.If i attack you you must defend and protect, go against. So later when the English invaded with also one general view of superiority and correctness. As tolerance does not exist in such invading categories lives were taken yes, and who would be the terrorist if i shot you down in defence to your attack?
I'm glad you are a tolerant Muslim who can exist peacefully and individually for a whole 9 months "even though they are not Muslim"
In short, fuck religion. Fuck the state. Fuck fuck fuck.
Now THAT's what I call freedom of speech!
Man.... I Dont even considering talking to you your like a eunuch.. ur neither male or female...ur stuck in halfway , so i dont even consider your IMMATURE and PATHETIC comments...just look around you ...you immature ASS who has created this world..??? who has put life in you ? who has designed our bodies this world ??? who the heck do u think? and who makes the sunrise and set..and you`d be SAYING "SCREW U DUDE ITS PHYSICS" but again u educated lliterate WHO ENGINERED THAT? so look around your self...
"which all blessings of your lord will you deny"
And instead of nuking u man ..i guess we all muslims....should educate you..cuz thats wat our religion teaches us , to tell about your religion to people and bring them path! ..The disbelievers pelted our prophet! they mocked him...and he never said anything to them...
DUDE ATIEST this is for you..let me tell you all YOUR INFORMATION..Is literally literally CRAP!!!
1)Our prophet was never a warior he was a merchant in the beginning ! he became warior when islam was like a nation and he fought to defend it..answer me! wouldnt you fight to defend your principles and ur beliefs?? think!
2)PIGS my friends are prophibited because...first of all they eat and live in their shit!!! their dirty !so its quite obvious it was due to sanitary measures thats what our Quran says ...that wasnt an eye-opener! 2ndly they cannot be slaughtered cuz they cannot be sluahtere exactly form where we are supposed to ...u need to do your homework!
3)GAYs and Peodiphiles...ok man u made me laugh at this one...homosexuals,child molesters and ppl who commited adultery were killed as soon as they were spotted ! the punishment is ..to be stoned to death.and im not going in detal cuz this is vast subject and this is a vast topic!.. and about the Prophets WIFE ...its all crap that one of her wives age was 9 she is said to be around 9-24 this might have been a transcription error and it wudve beeen 19-24 cuz 17+ when islam permits u to marry i and even IF IF WHICH IM 1110 % sure she was not , she wouldnt have been allowed according to the customs to enter the prophets household, and once again..its not mentioned in the QURAN...man i guess u shud stick to opposing christianity...
4)DRUGS HASHISH ARE CONSIDERED UNLAWFULL and who the heck told u that he took it? they can be taken only and only (mark my words) IF IT CAN SAVE UR LIFE not for IF ur having flue and u consume it meaning is ..its not allowed to be consumed for such a minor disease...AND IT SHUD ONLY BE TAKEN STRICTLY WHEN NEEDED...plus even if u take it..your prayers are not ACCEPTED for 40 DAYs.....so man u better just prove christianity wrong..the reason why chiristians take criticism and we dont ..is CUZ we are on the right path and we are dead sure about it and theyre not..obvious isnt it.?? think over it
and when it comes on to the topic of women let me tell you WOMEN HAS EACH AND EVERY EQUAL RIGHT. INSTEAD WOMEN ARE CONSIDERED HIGHER in their status AND MORE RESPECTFULL.its the culture of the countries which are destroying this equalism..in america every 10 secs or so a womne gets raped...and compare the rates with all muslim countries..ull be amazed! ..have u ever EVEN VISITED A NATION..where i live..belive me..women are respected so much..that if some women joins a qeue the men go aside and let the women go frst ..women are always ont he top priority , u cant EVEN TOUCH YES TOUCH A WOMEN! leave apart eve-teasing..so grow up man ..all your facts and study is crap ..its not that im saying wat ur doing is crap.....im proving it and im maing u feel it cuz u dont talk if you dont know about something..cuz thats wat a wise person does....reading some pages and books doesnt make u a SCHOLAR!
Get a life man....tell me
Why a Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith
But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist!
Why a nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God
But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed
When a western women stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected because of sacrificing herself and doing good for the household?
But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"!
Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?
But when Muslimah wears a Hijab they prevent her from entering her university!
When a Christian or a Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to trial!
When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and all respect him.
But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated -- He gets the title of a terrorist! Why? Because he is a Muslim!
THINK OVER IT PPL ..screw the rest of them..
Nonsense, you're obviously replying to an anonymous person, who posted months ago (and who was replied to by "Honest Person")
Nevertheless, I'll play along.
> "1) Our prophet was never a warior..."
Never? Can you mention any other prophet in any religion who personally killed his "enemies"
(Yes, Moses killed a man, but that was before he became a prophet).
> "2) PIGS my friends are prophibited because...first of all they eat and live in their shit!!!"
So why are the Danish imams distributing pictures of Mohammed with pig-snout and pig-ears?
If I were a Muslim I would find it most insulting.
> "3) )GAYs and Peodiphiles...ok man u made me laugh at this one...homosexuals,child molesters and ppl who commited adultery were killed as soon as they were spotted !"
And yet a fascist swine like you expects me to treat you as a human being?
> "and about the Prophets WIFE ...its all crap that one of her wives age was 9 she is said to be around 9-24 this might have been a transcription error"
It's not a transcription error - since the information is repeated in many Hadiths.
Are you saying that anything you don't like in the Quran or the Hadiths can simply be ignored as "transcription errors"?
> "4)DRUGS HASHISH ARE CONSIDERED UNLAWFULL and who the heck told u that he took it?"
I have no idea. Ask the guy who wrote it.
> "in america every 10 secs or so a womne gets raped.."
Did you know that the number of rapes in immigrant-friendly Sweden is 6 times as high as in Denmark?
1)Our prophet never killed anyone out of no reason this is for 100% sure , wat we call self defense today he used this rule and this is what our religion teaches !! YOU SHOULD ONLY ONLY attack another nation if it posts a threat to your commmunity and you can see this in the quran ..your lookin upto the quran for everyother thing but why not this topic!? look and i dont think you will be amazed to find your self wrong!
2)So whats wrong in killing peodephiles and rapist..isnt this is wat is hapenning nowadays tell me...look carefully around you , even america has started to put peodephiles on deathsentences and capital punishments!
3) i never said you can ignore what you dont like and keep what you liek that would be like customizing your own religion! but the fact my friend that his wifes age was 9 is wrong..its from 9-24 so who can decided wat was her age..no one cuz no where it is CLEARLY MENTIONED , so how come he is a peodephile??? so first gather evidence and then put up a show!
2)And for the part when you are saying "By whom" my answer is ...a non-muslim... HIV AIDS and hepatitis statistics are like almost 0 in some of the middle eastern conuntries and RAPE cases are also close to NIL and i think compared to other countries this is amazing! and im 100 % sure women would surely feel more secure in a country like this!
And about the thing of thse imams..i dont know even if theyre muslims or what ..in 100% sure theyre not muslims its just a stupid conspiracy for whom inshallah if they or whoever responsible !
and i wont change my comments ..stick to opposing christianity or any other religion..BUT not islam.. ...and i think you are quite aware of the reason!